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this hope radio for the masses headliner

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between July 8 1947 the Army Air Force

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has announced that applying - found

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under now in the possession of the on a

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occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide would vanish if we

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were facing an alien threat from outside

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this is fade to black with your host

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network and a GRA

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good evening how you doing how you do it

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fade to black bespoke radio for the

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today's Wednesday November 29th 333 days

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into the new year just 32 days left we

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are live from a bunker somewhere in

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downtown Burbank California and I would

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like to welcome everybody listening all

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around the world now all across the

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United States hither and thither to and

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fro back and forth up and down east and

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west north and south far and near

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this is fade to black for kjc are the

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game changer Network in kg are a the

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I'm your host Jimmy Church and what is

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cracking everybody how you doing what a

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great week we've had here on the show

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just in the absolutely amazing stellar

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week and tonight we have very special

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guests Riz Burke is here and

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entrepreneur author

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we're going to talk about his new book

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treasure hunt and you know this is the

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thing about Riz we've got you know angel

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investing gaming movie production what

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he does and has done with his life right

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we need to kick back and learn but this

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is the thing and I'm gonna throw rizz

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under the bus right now he shoots me

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this email earlier this week it's like

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okay Jimmy yeah yeah you know there's

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the book and and and we can we can do

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that and we can talk about that but you

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know what man

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you know can we talk about UFOs oh it's

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good to be that kind of show tonight so

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you guys just buckle up and get ready

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rizz Burke is here tomorrow night open

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lines all night long the Cullen numbers

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and what a week we've had so and there's

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lines are going to be pretty exciting

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tomorrow night and it in it and it truly

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is my favorite night of the week and

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there's there's a lot of reason for that

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why I'm so happy - first off Thursday is

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my Friday right so I've gotten to the

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end of the week well technically it's my

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Friday if I'm not doing you know hosting

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somewhere else over the weekend but you

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know Coast or whatever but but it's it's

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my Friday and the pressure is off in

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that it goes back to you guys all I have

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to do is answer the phones right and I

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am able to allow you to guide the show

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where I hate it and you know the

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pressure is off it's nothing but a fun

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evening and and it's turned into for me

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like this counseling session because I'm

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myself and life and and just things you

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know by the time I get to the end of a

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show on Thursday night I just feel great

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coming off of the show psych Wow that

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was just absolutely amazing because I

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get to hear from all of you and and and

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your opinions your knowledge Thursday

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night sentence is just an amazing night

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here on fade to black what a family we

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have built over the years it's just

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absolutely amazing so that'll be

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tomorrow night follow me on twitter at

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JD oh that's what you want to do but you

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can also follow rizz and it's a rizz

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Stanford on Twitter right rizz Stanford

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his links are up he's already tweeting

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he's a technology guy so and probably

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listening to the show right now don't

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forget you can follow like and subscribe

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Facebook YouTube everything that you

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need to do is over at you in church

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radio calm and the sandbox if you want

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tonight or any other night

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it is hashtag F to be q okay you can

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public service announcements today

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that's it today we have just one day

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left that's right one day left for our

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the next late night pods podcast pod

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star podcast star contest

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courtesy of your friends over at tascam

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professional that's it the cutoff is

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midnight tomorrow night and it wasn't

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that strange it falls on fate or night

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oh that's cool now the flood of entries

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that we have had in the last 24 hours

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says a lot about you you guys are just

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like me everybody procrastinated and

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that's okay but now that's it you have

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until midnight tomorrow night to end

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the contest all of the rules and how to

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enter are over at Jimmy Church radio.com

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and it is actually very simple you are

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going to pitch us just like you're gonna

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go sit down in front of any other

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Network head you are going to sit down

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and give us a pitch and that pitch will

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include a recording of your podcast show

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idea it will also have be your podcast

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name and see some artwork with the logo

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in banner form that you would use for

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website or a promotion that's exactly

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what you would have to do if you're

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gonna take your podcast idea to some

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network you're gonna have to go in

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prepared that's what you have to do here

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now the entry so far have all been great

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and I'm happy about that

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that we have a very tough decision to

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make here okay and and the effort that

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has been put forward has just been

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amazing so thank you for that but if you

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do win and you're the grand prize winner

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you're gonna get the podcast studio of

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your dreams okay you're gonna get this

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this is what is is so cool you're gonna

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get a task a mini studio creator us 42

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mixer effects everything that you need a

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couple of mic pries for two microphones

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MX 2 professional headphones you're

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all the cables everything that you need

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to become the next podcast star okay and

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because you are the grand prize winner

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your first podcast is gonna air right

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here on the game-changer Network so

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we're gonna give you the audience we're

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gonna give you the recognition we're

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gonna give you the gear to be the next

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podcast star so think about that for a

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second all entries must be received by

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midnight tomorrow night Pacific Coast

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time okay all right good luck to

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everyone out there

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oh man it's just been amazing now our

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next event will be the conscious life

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Expo it's coming up February 9th through

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the 12th 2018 at the LAX Hilton tickets

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and info you can go over to I believe

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you go over to Jimmy Church radio.com we

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should have do we get those up yet Rita

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she can text me

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we should have banners up over at Jimmy

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Church radio calm you can just click

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it'll take you over to conscious life

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Expo calm the banners are right there

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it's at the LAX Hilton you want to stay

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at the Hilton by the way okay it's gonna

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be a great weekend it's one of the great

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conferences on the calendar for the

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entire year in the world Friday night

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I'll be hosting I'll be hosting a bunch

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of stuff all weekend but Friday night

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opening night I am going to be hosting

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the ancient aliens panel with Linda

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William Henry and Jay Widener

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all stars of ancient aliens all on one

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panel in the totally massive plaza

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ballroom okay tickets are Oh Rita just

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said banners aren't up yet they'll be a

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bite tomorrow maybe they'll be up before

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the end of the night tonight but there

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you go okay we'll see everybody there I

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want all the fader nuts we're gonna have

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all of our sponsors there think about

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fade or not it is just an extraordinary

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and and and just having a lot of fun so

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just come in and hang out with Rita and

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okay all right we'll see you there

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about that all right let's get this show

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crackin happy birthday today to one of

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my favorites Anna Faris today is 41

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she's hilarious

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you know I this is what I think about

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Anna I bet I'll put money that she is

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the same in person she isn't a movie

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I just I feel that in my bones also

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today broadcasting giant Vin Scully is

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90 there you go happy birthday Vin

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Dodger Doug's the Dodgers the Dodgers

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imitate Vin Scully

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nobody does Vin like that you go to the

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press box which I've done probably 50 or

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a hundred times a Dodger Stadium so

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you're in the press box and and you just

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walk around and anims and there are guys

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he goes yeah I know I know it's pretty

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funny isn't it

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and that's that was his comment but yeah

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it's it's a it's an amazing thing when

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you're that great happy birthday Ben 90

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years old

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alright on this day in history oh TD

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1929 it went down American Explorer

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Richard Byrd and three companions make

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the first flight over the South Pole

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that's right flying from their base on

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the Ross Ice Shelf to the pole and back

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it took him 18 hours and 41 minutes and

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then the first thing he said when he got

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off the plane when he returned he said

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the earth isn't flat and that is on this

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day in history OTD fader fact there is

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only one country in the world you know

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what you know I want to see Twitter

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light up here I'm gonna give you guys a

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shot at this I'm gonna give Twitter a

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shot let's see who can answer this first

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and don't cheat okay

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don't Google this there's only one

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country left in the world where women

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can't vote what country is that let's

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see let me see let me see how quick you

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guys are let's see who's the smart one

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right now I'm waiting River moon coffee

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is what I'm drinking as I am waiting

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okay

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well we'll see we'll see the one country

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in the world where women can't no Stacy

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said Saudi Arabia good guess though yeah

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good guess Iran comes in from Scott

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Richards nope nope Saudi Arabia again

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from nurse Nancy nope

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katar no no no yeah see nobody's

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cheating here that's why I love you guys

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okay that's why I love you guys

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the first way to get the right answer is

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the cheater all of the middle east

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coming from bloke Saudi Arabia no nope

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no no no and I understand where you guys

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are going with this but no nope nope

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Saudi or it in googled Oh at least you

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admit it all right it's Vatican City

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Vatican City women cannot vote in

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Vatican City is that absolutely amazing

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all right tonight very special guest

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Rose Burke and the conversation is gonna

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be pretty wide tonight I'm going to try

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and not run out of time but to do this

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correctly we need to go in-depth and

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there's so many different subjects with

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Riz I was telling him earlier today I

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could see I could see a 6-part ER with

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Riz to do it to do it right but we're

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gonna have fun tonight so just sit right

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there

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Riz is gonna be with us in a few short

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minutes now so today it was Matt Lauer

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right and Garrison Keillor two

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powerhouses in media got two fired today

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from their networks Matt Lauer from NBC

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stunning stunning development and

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Garrison Keillor who I've had much mad

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respect for over the years Prairie Home

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Companion he was fired by MPR so

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Garrison Keillor he was retired he's 75

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he retired last year still participating

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you know Annie owns Prairie Home

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Companion and all of that somebody

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retired a year ago knees 75 years old

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and his reaction was well this is what

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happened and this was a friend of mine

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and we're still friends and it was an

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accident but nonetheless I'm 75 years

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old and I'm just not even going to

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comment

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about it that that was his response Matt

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Lauer

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we really haven't heard from yet but the

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list the list of Hollywood big names and

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not even naming Weinstein on this is

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pretty frightening now we have Bill

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O'Reilly you know the bit not the

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most-watched broadcast talking head in

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America up until the time that he was

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fired Bill O'Reilly who everybody

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thought was you know completely

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untouchable Bill O'Reilly Kevin

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unbelievable today Matt Lauer last week

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it was Charlie Rose

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Bill Cosby today Garrison Keillor CK

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louis c.k right Jeffrey Tambor and Al

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Franken and I threw out Franken on this

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list this is my list this isn't somebody

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else's list this is my list and I threw

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out Frank and I because he's a crossover

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guy he's a crossover guy he you know he

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he's a comedian he was a writer and and

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and you know part of the cast on

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Saturday Night Live you know and so how

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frankenz on this list now you know

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bleeding into Washington the listed in

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Washington right now is so long I'm not

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gonna go there because I don't do

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politics on the show but today to have

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this happen after what Alexis Brooks and

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I were talking about last night on this

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show which is Hollywood this sexual

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allegations thing that is that has gone

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over not only from Hollywood and actors

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into media and journalism which it has

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and into Washington it's out of control

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but the the story itself has not gone

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away we've seen a lot of stories go away

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let me let me throw in a few things for

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you that have just disappeared how about

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Puerto Rico the hurricanes Florida right

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Houston what

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happened to Cuba all of those that that

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one of the most devastating natural

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disaster seasons of hurricanes that we

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have ever had in history is gone I'm the

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obvious things or things like Las Vegas

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but but this thing is allowing the media

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to bury headlines and I find that very

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very interesting they don't want to let

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it go

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they could turn it the opposite

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direction they could have the other

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headlines out there dominate and bury

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these sexual headlines right but they've

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chosen to do the opposite remember how

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the media manipulates just listen to

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what I'm saying here yesterday the

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headline was that North Korea just

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launched another ICBM hire that then and

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anything before that it could reach

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Washington DC or any points on the globe

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now and that the United States was once

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again on the verge of war and that Trump

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has got decisions to make very critical

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decisions you know and and the the talk

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of war was everything I talked of war

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maybe even nuclear war now that's a

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headline right today it's Matt Lauer

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guess what isn't in the headlines today

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North Korea you can't find it anywhere

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it's unbelievable the media manipulation

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got your heads on a swivel you don't

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know what you're doing anymore so this

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thing today with Matt Lauer so okay it's

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like this Matt Lauer when it comes to

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Kevin Spacey you know it's a

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heartbreaker right you know Charlie Rose

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right Bill Cosby America's dad you know

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Garrison Keillor and Prairie Home

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Companion

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you know Jeffrey Tambor these these are

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people that were respected for years you

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know and it was just kind of a shocking

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thing now that doesn't take away with

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what they did or allegedly did these are

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allegations and some have admitted to it

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not all involved women

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like Kevin Spacey that involves men

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right okay so but my point being I felt

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nothing for Matt Lauer today now the

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rest of the country that doesn't know

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anything about Matt and that sees him on

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The Today Show that Matt is a

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representative of the real Matt okay

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that's not the real Matt okay trust me

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on this that's the soft Matt I'm just

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gonna tell you this one experience that

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I had with him and now that he's called

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out and he's fallen from grace I can

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finally tell the story and I've never

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I've never told the story before

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I've shared it with Rita over the years

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every time I saw him on TV my stomach

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would turn I would just get pissed off

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well this is what happened I'm I'm at

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The Tonight Show and I pull up in my car

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and I'm working with a band and you know

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the band that was playing there that

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night I can't remember who the band was

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I was out at The Tonight Show sometimes

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once a week you know working with

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somebody anyway so I pull up and there

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they have a center line outside of where

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you load in what you know where you know

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Jay parts you know the NBC News and and

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everybody's got assigned parking so when

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you get on the lot to give you a parking

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pass it stays in your car and they have

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the center lane that normally it's

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reserved for limousines and you know but

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it was empty and I pull up and I park

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there every week it was no big deal when

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I pull up right there and Tony head of

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security knows me knows my cars no big

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deal blow my cards are sat there so I

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pulled up and I parked in my normal spot

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I got some gear out of the car I go in

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we're doing sound check with the band

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then somebody comes running in going

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Jimmy Jimmy Jimmy I said what's up man

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you got to move your car

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kind of move my car that's not happened

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in a couple of years but okay so I go

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outside to my car and standing in the

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back and I look and there's a like a

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town car Lincoln town car parked behind

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my car and it was all empty man 20 cars

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could have parked there in the limo line

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they called it and and standing behind

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my car is Matt Lauer

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and I and I step up and he's all

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agitated and I don't know why and and I

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go up and I had a piece of gear in my

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hand is something small and I pop my

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trunk and when I pop my trunk

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it opens and I know I have a nice car

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and in the trunk of my car

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is a set of golf clubs and Lauer who's

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all agitated turns around does a double

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take and then looks into my trunk at my

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golf clubs and I said oh you play and he

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looks at me and mumble and he bends over

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to tie his shoes that's what he looks

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like he's doing right next to me

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standing next to me at my trunk and he

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mutters something under his breath going

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down and what I heard what I thought

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that I heard was something like you know

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whatever and then followed by a you know

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he called me a name and he bent down and

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to tie his shoes and I look and he's got

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loafers on with no socks no shoelaces

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and he kind of touches his foot and then

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stands up so he bent over to utter

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something under his breath not to tie

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his shoes he was acting like that and he

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stood up shot me this look and walked

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away and I thought man you are not who I

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thought you were man you know at

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whatever dude

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I'm done right I'm just done with this

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guy never watched it Today Show ever

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again and he walked away and so at for

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four years you know that was like 17

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years ago every time I would see his

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face on TV I knew the real guy

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everything else is an act so I'm telling

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you America if you thought he was just

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this soft lovable guy you was wrong

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that's it I'm time so I got this off of

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my chest I've wanted to tell that story

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forever I could care less about Matt

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Lauer

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he asked for every

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thing that came to him or Garrison

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Keillor that's another story so there it

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is

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Lauer c'est la vie

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this is fade to black I am your host

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Church I'm gonna get out of here because

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I want to talk to rizz Burke I want to

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get into this is fade to black I'm your

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host Jimmy church tonight rizz Burke

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conversation is is gonna be interesting

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his new book is called treasure hunt

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Holden got up to the cameras right now

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no ride welcome back

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fade to black

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I'm your host Jimmy church Wednesday

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night great week on the show tonight

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it's Risberg successful in business as

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an angel investor best-selling author

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video game industry pioneer and an

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independent film producer Chris

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currently runs baby labs in play labs at

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MIT a startup accelerator held on campus

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at the Massachusetts Institute of

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Technology rids received a BS in

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computer science and engineering from

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MIT and an MS a management from

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Stanford's GSB Riza's many startups have

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created products used by thousands of

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enterprise customers and his games have

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been downloaded millions of times

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including catfish

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bingo run penny dreadful you know think

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about that all right grim cards of fate

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Wiz has a prolific Silicon Valley angel

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investor and he's invested in many

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startups including Tapjoy

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telltale games discord fun zo pocket

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gems moon express and many others he has

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produced many independent films

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including turquoise Rose thrive which

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I've seen many times it's that's been

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viewed 70 million times by the way

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Sirius and the cult classic Knights of

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Badassdom starring Peter Dinklage now

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tonight we're going to discuss how our

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community we're gonna discuss things

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about it but also how to succeed in it

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and also how Silicon Valley and its

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power views its power it views UFOs the

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supernatural and consciousness his

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website is right there at Jimmy Church

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radio calm you can go and click on it

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and of course you can follow rizz a

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tryst Alford on Twitter I'd like to

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welcome for the first time to fade to

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black

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are you ready rizz Burke rizz good

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evening good evening Jimmy thanks for

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having me on the show oh don't be so

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formal

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thank you are you ready yeah it is it is

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so I've been looking forward to

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this and so before we get started your

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first time guest so you get the first

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time guest disclaimer now the next time

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you're on the show you're not gonna get

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the disclaimer so you won't have that to

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look forward to but the disclaimer is is

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this it's just you and I sitting on my

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couch having a conversation as friends

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where the conversation starts it starts

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where it ends it ends but we're gonna

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and his friends you ready yep that that

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seems like a good way to start it off

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with people tweeting already yeah yeah I

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see that you know to think that you're

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not a technology guy is not part of the

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equation so consuming you're having fun

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on Twitter we do thousands and thousands

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of tweets a night so if you're gonna get

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engaged there you'll see how distracting

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it is we use Twitter a little bit

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different

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do you know Jack Dorsey I've heard of

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them I don't know him personally okay

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you know the CEO of Twitter but it's

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kind of a semi famous story here because

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I've told it a few times but years ago

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when Twitter first started Jack and I he

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had just started it and we were sitting

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on a park bench in Santa Monica at the

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beach our toes were literally in the

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sand and and he's telling me about

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Twitter right and I was like you know I

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don't know and so he he takes my phone

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he helps me start a Twitter account

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which we do and and I was gonna man 140

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characters man I mean I don't you know

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this is just I don't know man I don't

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think it's gonna work you know Eddie

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goes now I'm telling you you know it's

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gonna be cool it's gonna be this gonna

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be social it's gonna be that and and so

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I said now what are you doing because

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you need a follower I said okay so he

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grabs my phone he follows me I turn

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around he shows me how to do that I

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follow him he was the first person that

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I followed on Twitter and at that time I

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was like his 50th maybe you know like

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right in there

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and and boy was I wrong right you need

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to think about something else man

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you know and that's often the case with

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a lot of these companies that have gone

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on to be very successful they have a you

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know it's not always you can't always

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see exactly what the future holds or how

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a new technology is going to change

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things I mean when I was at MIT we had

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this thing called the MIT Japan program

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and we'd go to Japan for the summer and

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my my old roommate from MIT went and he

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met a guy named Jerry who had this

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little thing called a webpage that had

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like maybe a hundred listings on it and

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he was like wow this thing will never

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fly it's not a real business well that

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turned into Yahoo so you know it's

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always hard to predict the future you

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know and and the bubble that was the

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other thing we can you know move off of

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this quickly but the bubble back then I

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was and I still am I'm a firm believer

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in brick and mortar I'm still you know I

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love the technology and you know I shop

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on Amazon you know I'd lie in joy eBay

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but there's still something about the

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tactile thing about going to a store and

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touching it there's no question about

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that

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and and I thought to myself there isn't

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value here not like when you can you can

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physically touch a building you can see

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the value of the building and where the

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rent and the cost and things but with

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with the internet and the way that the

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valuations were happening back then I

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just thought of us there's just no way

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this money is being created out of

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nowhere technically for nothing you know

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for ones and zeros it can't continue on

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this trend and then boom it when it blew

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up it blew apart I should say it blew

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apart in a big way and I think it caused

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people to go back and try to see where

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the real value of of the internet was

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and I think it's pretty solid now today

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don't you yeah you know and you find

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that technology often goes through these

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phases where it's sort of overhyped for

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a little while and then sometimes you

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see a crash and then it comes back over

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time as people see the real value I mean

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if you look at Bitcoin today which is

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the thing everyone's talking about in

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Silicon Valley which is up at you know

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$10,000

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I started investing in Bitcoin back in

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2013 when it was like $100 per Bitcoin

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and the only way I could get access to

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it was I'd actually go literally meet

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people in downtown Mountain View and I

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put a lot of hundred dollars from the

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bank give it to them and they would

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transfer their one Bitcoin right to my

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wallet and there was a crash at the end

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of 2013 and then you know many people in

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Silicon Valley kind of forgot about it

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and now it's come back to even higher

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levels of course some people think we're

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in a bubble now but it's interesting how

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technology evolves that way where

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there's almost too much of a hype

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sometimes and then the real value you

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know comes into play I mean Facebook and

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Twitter weren't even around during that

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first that first dot-com phase right so

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you see a lot of value being created

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later on as people begin to understand

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the strengths and weaknesses yeah I'm

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the technology in three weeks ago there

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okay now listen this is a real

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00:39:02,139 --> 00:38:57,889
conversation three weeks ago I'm talking

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to my nephew right my nephew and he says

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00:39:10,809 --> 00:39:04,309
to me he goes dude have you jumped in on

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Bitcoin yet he goes man I just bought in

812
00:39:17,709 --> 00:39:13,509
last week about a couple of bitcoins at

813
00:39:20,349 --> 00:39:17,719
$4,600 and in one week they both you

814
00:39:23,229 --> 00:39:20,359
know they've gone up $1100 man today was

815
00:39:30,099 --> 00:39:23,239
fifty seven hundred bucks that was three

816
00:39:35,499 --> 00:39:30,109
weeks ago man thousand I'm just like

817
00:39:40,739 --> 00:39:35,509
holy crap and yeah that conversation

818
00:39:44,499 --> 00:39:40,749
knock on wood right now three weeks ago

819
00:39:46,299 --> 00:39:44,509
isn't he mr. happy camper right that's a

820
00:39:48,519 --> 00:39:46,309
return on investment that is a pretty

821
00:39:50,289 --> 00:39:48,529
spectacular now if you started at a

822
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:50,299
hundred bucks I don't want to know how

823
00:39:54,339 --> 00:39:52,729
many bitcoins you have but you must be

824
00:39:56,559 --> 00:39:54,349
feeling pretty good about yourself today

825
00:39:58,629 --> 00:39:56,569
oh yeah well you know the funny thing is

826
00:40:00,429 --> 00:39:58,639
that at every major juncture you know

827
00:40:03,159 --> 00:40:00,439
when it got to a thousand and it got the

828
00:40:04,479 --> 00:40:03,169
two thousand I had people in the you

829
00:40:05,979 --> 00:40:04,489
know financial industry telling you oh

830
00:40:08,769 --> 00:40:05,989
you should sell it this is a bubble it's

831
00:40:09,909 --> 00:40:08,779
getting too high you know and then 4,000

832
00:40:11,649 --> 00:40:09,919
and I just said well I'm just kind of

833
00:40:13,059 --> 00:40:11,659
holding on for the long term because you

834
00:40:15,279 --> 00:40:13,069
know I'm a big believer in blockchain

835
00:40:17,439 --> 00:40:15,289
technology and cryptocurrency that's not

836
00:40:18,329 --> 00:40:17,449
controlled by any particular government

837
00:40:20,069 --> 00:40:18,339
so

838
00:40:21,809 --> 00:40:20,079
even though there will be ups and downs

839
00:40:23,670 --> 00:40:21,819
in the market you know I'm just gonna

840
00:40:25,739 --> 00:40:23,680
hold on to my Bitcoin which I got

841
00:40:27,779 --> 00:40:25,749
relatively cheaply even I didn't buy I'm

842
00:40:30,299 --> 00:40:27,789
all at 100 but I bought them you know a

843
00:40:31,939 --> 00:40:30,309
lot less than they are now I don't care

844
00:40:36,959 --> 00:40:31,949
if you bought them three weeks ago at

845
00:40:38,759 --> 00:40:36,969
4600 and every time I I didn't listen to

846
00:40:40,349 --> 00:40:38,769
you know any of the advice I was getting

847
00:40:41,519 --> 00:40:40,359
then I should sell it until you know one

848
00:40:43,019 --> 00:40:41,529
of my financial advisors when it was

849
00:40:45,059 --> 00:40:43,029
around 6,000 City he really should sell

850
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:45,069
some just so you lock in some profit

851
00:40:48,299 --> 00:40:46,930
then I gave in and I sold a few Bitcoin

852
00:40:50,429 --> 00:40:48,309
and then I regretted it the next day I

853
00:40:52,079 --> 00:40:50,439
was like oh my gut was telling me not to

854
00:40:53,670 --> 00:40:52,089
do that but I was listening you know to

855
00:40:55,679 --> 00:40:53,680
the voice of reason coming from the

856
00:40:57,299 --> 00:40:55,689
outside you know that's one of the

857
00:40:59,099 --> 00:40:57,309
things I talk about in my book also is

858
00:41:01,529 --> 00:40:59,109
learning to trust your gut feelings and

859
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:01,539
your intuition rather then you know

860
00:41:05,099 --> 00:41:03,130
what's being shouted out at you by other

861
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:05,109
people necessarily of course now it's

862
00:41:10,079 --> 00:41:09,130
11,000 for 10,000 so yeah I couldn't

863
00:41:13,170 --> 00:41:10,089
agree with you more

864
00:41:15,059 --> 00:41:13,180
listen to yourself and you know never

865
00:41:17,579 --> 00:41:15,069
listen to people like me I mean that's

866
00:41:20,609 --> 00:41:17,589
the last thing you want to do let's

867
00:41:24,089 --> 00:41:20,619
let's let's back up for a second when we

868
00:41:25,739 --> 00:41:24,099
look at and I left so much stuff out of

869
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:25,749
your bio it would have taken me a

870
00:41:31,919 --> 00:41:29,170
half-hour to to do the right justice but

871
00:41:36,569 --> 00:41:31,929
we are talking about with you when we're

872
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:36,579
talking about MIT and Stanford and you

873
00:41:42,989 --> 00:41:39,729
know movie producing and and your your

874
00:41:45,569 --> 00:41:42,999
it's just gaming it's a pretty crazy

875
00:41:48,900 --> 00:41:45,579
life of yours but it's a technical life

876
00:41:53,039 --> 00:41:48,910
how it just helped me understand this

877
00:41:55,349 --> 00:41:53,049
here how do you how do you involve UFOs

878
00:41:58,109 --> 00:41:55,359
and the supernatural and awakening and

879
00:42:01,529 --> 00:41:58,119
consciousness it was that all going on

880
00:42:04,169 --> 00:42:01,539
before this life or did it happen after

881
00:42:06,449 --> 00:42:04,179
this well it was actually going on more

882
00:42:08,249 --> 00:42:06,459
in parallel and you know this is a lot

883
00:42:10,349 --> 00:42:08,259
of the experiences I talk about in my

884
00:42:12,419 --> 00:42:10,359
first book the Zen entrepreneurship when

885
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:12,429
I had started my very first company it

886
00:42:17,279 --> 00:42:14,890
was a young engineer out of MIT I was

887
00:42:19,140 --> 00:42:17,289
very left reined I was kind of skeptical

888
00:42:22,319 --> 00:42:19,150
about a lot of the supernatural or

889
00:42:23,549 --> 00:42:22,329
paranormal stuff but you know as I was

890
00:42:25,349 --> 00:42:23,559
building the company I was learning

891
00:42:27,179 --> 00:42:25,359
about consciousness and meditation and

892
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:27,189
then suddenly I started to have these

893
00:42:31,410 --> 00:42:30,130
experiences where I would get a hunch

894
00:42:35,610 --> 00:42:31,420
about something

895
00:42:39,030 --> 00:42:36,870
you know could be really simple it could

896
00:42:40,290 --> 00:42:39,040
be about a building for example I got to

897
00:42:41,910 --> 00:42:40,300
walk by a building and I'd have a funny

898
00:42:44,100 --> 00:42:41,920
feeling about that building and then

899
00:42:46,250 --> 00:42:44,110
later a couple years later I would end

900
00:42:48,450 --> 00:42:46,260
up having an office in that building and

901
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:48,460
you know my left brain would say well

902
00:42:52,530 --> 00:42:50,530
that's no big deal I mean you had a

903
00:42:54,390 --> 00:42:52,540
hunch about the building therefore late

904
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:54,400
a couple years later you decided to have

905
00:42:57,570 --> 00:42:56,170
an office space in the building but you

906
00:42:59,670 --> 00:42:57,580
know these experiences started to happen

907
00:43:02,100 --> 00:42:59,680
more dramatically than that and I'd

908
00:43:04,050 --> 00:43:02,110
sometimes see things in a dream which

909
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:04,060
would then later play themselves out in

910
00:43:08,940 --> 00:43:06,490
the real world and I really started to

911
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:08,950
question the nature of time and space

912
00:43:13,650 --> 00:43:11,650
and what the present and the future are

913
00:43:15,660 --> 00:43:13,660
all about and how they interact and then

914
00:43:17,100 --> 00:43:15,670
as I started to look into quantum

915
00:43:20,910 --> 00:43:17,110
physics you know I started to realize

916
00:43:22,770 --> 00:43:20,920
that our concept of time that we have at

917
00:43:25,470 --> 00:43:22,780
the common-sense level is not really

918
00:43:27,660 --> 00:43:25,480
like that at the subatomic level and so

919
00:43:30,090 --> 00:43:27,670
that really led me to to kind of looking

920
00:43:33,180 --> 00:43:30,100
at what was going on right are we living

921
00:43:35,370 --> 00:43:33,190
in some kind of matrix like world and I

922
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:35,380
call these these clues that we get

923
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:37,810
sometimes glitches in the quantum matrix

924
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:39,370
where we catch a glimpse of something in

925
00:43:43,380 --> 00:43:40,930
the future I'll give you a slightly more

926
00:43:44,730 --> 00:43:43,390
interesting and dramatic example in my

927
00:43:46,380 --> 00:43:44,740
very first company instance back in the

928
00:43:48,930 --> 00:43:46,390
90s we had a competitor that I hadn't

929
00:43:50,910 --> 00:43:48,940
heard of in in a while and I had a dream

930
00:43:52,980 --> 00:43:50,920
one morning and this competitor showed

931
00:43:54,810 --> 00:43:52,990
up in the dream and I thought that's odd

932
00:43:56,430 --> 00:43:54,820
that's called a mark right and his

933
00:43:58,470 --> 00:43:56,440
company was called edge research and

934
00:43:59,460 --> 00:43:58,480
that was really odd because I never had

935
00:44:01,200 --> 00:43:59,470
a dream with that but it's good

936
00:44:03,990 --> 00:44:01,210
competitor before and I hadn't heard

937
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:04,000
about them in over a year and so I go in

938
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:05,530
the office that morning and I get a call

939
00:44:11,340 --> 00:44:09,490
from IBM which was Lotus back then and

940
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:11,350
it's the product manager were there one

941
00:44:14,820 --> 00:44:13,450
of our biggest partners and he says well

942
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:14,830
I just wanted to give you this heads-up

943
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:16,450
because we're gonna be announcing a

944
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:18,490
product tomorrow and unfortunately their

945
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:20,170
products probably gonna crush your your

946
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:21,970
your product but I wanted to give you a

947
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:22,930
heads up because we're supposed to be

948
00:44:26,250 --> 00:44:25,210
good partners and so ok I was a little

949
00:44:28,110 --> 00:44:26,260
upset that they were gonna make a

950
00:44:29,130 --> 00:44:28,120
product that was gonna crush our product

951
00:44:31,500 --> 00:44:29,140
but then I said well how come I've never

952
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:31,510
heard of this product before you know

953
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:33,610
IBM's a big company and it's hard to

954
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:35,170
keep secrets and he says oh well it was

955
00:44:39,030 --> 00:44:36,970
because we that competitor of yours

956
00:44:41,070 --> 00:44:39,040
edge research we bought them a year ago

957
00:44:43,650 --> 00:44:41,080
and that guy mark and he's been building

958
00:44:44,710 --> 00:44:43,660
this product in secret and I thought huh

959
00:44:46,330 --> 00:44:44,720
it was kind of real I

960
00:44:47,980 --> 00:44:46,340
winter for me because the dream happened

961
00:44:50,980 --> 00:44:47,990
in the morning the phone call happened

962
00:44:52,420 --> 00:44:50,990
later that day and so it really got into

963
00:44:54,730 --> 00:44:52,430
my engineers mind you know I like to

964
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:54,740
know how things work so I said okay how

965
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:56,090
is this happening how am I getting

966
00:44:59,770 --> 00:44:57,410
glimpses of the future

967
00:45:02,320 --> 00:44:59,780
in the past and how is it seeping in and

968
00:45:04,150 --> 00:45:02,330
so that really led to more of a study of

969
00:45:06,580 --> 00:45:04,160
consciousness and and also over time

970
00:45:08,230 --> 00:45:06,590
really paying attention to what I call

971
00:45:10,780 --> 00:45:08,240
clues the the intuition the

972
00:45:13,330 --> 00:45:10,790
synchronicities that are really now part

973
00:45:15,870 --> 00:45:13,340
of my life and how I make decisions in

974
00:45:19,900 --> 00:45:15,880
the business world what year was that

975
00:45:23,380 --> 00:45:19,910
that was in like 1995 I think okay so

976
00:45:26,950 --> 00:45:23,390
was it Lotus mail it was Lotus Notes

977
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:26,960
Lotus no I knew it I know it

978
00:45:31,690 --> 00:45:29,570
I am knew it yeah I ran Lotus Notes

979
00:45:34,210 --> 00:45:31,700
while we all did in 95 you didn't have

980
00:45:35,620 --> 00:45:34,220
too many options exactly email was

981
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:35,630
relatively new at that point that's

982
00:45:39,100 --> 00:45:37,970
right yeah so we've been around in

983
00:45:40,660 --> 00:45:39,110
universities for a while but

984
00:45:43,240 --> 00:45:40,670
corporations were just starting to use

985
00:45:45,190 --> 00:45:43,250
it right right I knew I was hoping you

986
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:45,200
were gonna say Lotus 1-2-3 that would

987
00:45:50,260 --> 00:45:47,810
have blown my mind but that's a little

988
00:45:53,470 --> 00:45:50,270
inside joke everybody if they don't get

989
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:53,480
it they never will risen but that's

990
00:46:01,510 --> 00:45:56,450
that's really interesting because it was

991
00:46:03,850 --> 00:46:01,520
that that realization about everything

992
00:46:06,730 --> 00:46:03,860
being connected both forward and

993
00:46:09,220 --> 00:46:06,740
backward in a time line that's a pretty

994
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:09,230
interesting concept but at the atomic

995
00:46:14,140 --> 00:46:11,330
level at the quantum level it's easier

996
00:46:17,020 --> 00:46:14,150
to understand their to does does the

997
00:46:19,540 --> 00:46:17,030
rest of Silicon Valley get that do the

998
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:19,550
engineers and the and not only the

999
00:46:24,370 --> 00:46:21,650
hardware but the software guys are they

1000
00:46:26,980 --> 00:46:24,380
do they understand it too well I think

1001
00:46:28,990 --> 00:46:26,990
you know at the subatomic level they're

1002
00:46:31,540 --> 00:46:29,000
very open to it but when you start

1003
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:31,550
talking about as I do about getting

1004
00:46:36,220 --> 00:46:33,650
glimpses of your probable future cells

1005
00:46:38,470 --> 00:46:36,230
right and those cells are sending us

1006
00:46:41,350 --> 00:46:38,480
information and which of those future

1007
00:46:43,090 --> 00:46:41,360
selves you know we navigate to on this

1008
00:46:44,980 --> 00:46:43,100
particular timeline is really a matter

1009
00:46:46,990 --> 00:46:44,990
of conscious observation I think in

1010
00:46:50,020 --> 00:46:47,000
Silicon Valley individually people are

1011
00:46:51,010 --> 00:46:50,030
open to these ideas but as a group when

1012
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:51,020
you start talking about venture

1013
00:46:55,570 --> 00:46:52,970
capitalists and engineers you know they

1014
00:46:58,120 --> 00:46:55,580
tend to at least present themselves is

1015
00:46:59,650 --> 00:46:58,130
very less great

1016
00:47:01,840 --> 00:46:59,660
and and so when you talk about

1017
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:01,850
consciousness and cleansing the future

1018
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:03,890
that's something that people don't talk

1019
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:05,450
about too much and kind of the

1020
00:47:12,190 --> 00:47:08,570
mainstream engineering or you know

1021
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:12,200
business world yet everybody here I've

1022
00:47:17,470 --> 00:47:15,650
noticed uses their intuition pretty

1023
00:47:20,230 --> 00:47:17,480
heavily in deciding you know which

1024
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:20,240
projects to fund what technologies to

1025
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:22,130
pursue and you know Steve Jobs you know

1026
00:47:26,470 --> 00:47:23,810
was very very big about using your

1027
00:47:28,660 --> 00:47:26,480
intuition to follow the clues and then

1028
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:28,670
the dots you know he said that you can't

1029
00:47:32,140 --> 00:47:29,930
always connect the dots looking forward

1030
00:47:33,970 --> 00:47:32,150
you have to connect them looking

1031
00:47:36,340 --> 00:47:33,980
backwards and you can see a larger

1032
00:47:38,830 --> 00:47:36,350
pattern emerging in your life over time

1033
00:47:43,450 --> 00:47:38,840
yeah here is are you doing something in

1034
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:43,460
the background yes let me move a little

1035
00:47:50,910 --> 00:47:45,170
bit closer no I hear something moving

1036
00:47:56,770 --> 00:47:53,350
wd-40 man wd-40

1037
00:47:59,200 --> 00:47:56,780
okay I just noticed the comment here in

1038
00:48:02,560 --> 00:47:59,210
Twitter what's the what's R is doing in

1039
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:02,570
the background I always pictured Steve

1040
00:48:09,430 --> 00:48:06,530
Jobs in that guru thing you know dressed

1041
00:48:12,670 --> 00:48:09,440
in white lotus position flowers around

1042
00:48:16,090 --> 00:48:12,680
his neck and that's I think that's the

1043
00:48:19,240 --> 00:48:16,100
way that Apple looked at him too that he

1044
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:19,250
was a Zen master IIIi really do feel

1045
00:48:26,980 --> 00:48:23,450
that and he did go off of his

1046
00:48:30,010 --> 00:48:26,990
consciousness in making decisions very

1047
00:48:31,900 --> 00:48:30,020
much so and he was great also at not

1048
00:48:33,610 --> 00:48:31,910
always listening to other people you

1049
00:48:36,510 --> 00:48:33,620
know I start off my book with a quote

1050
00:48:39,310 --> 00:48:36,520
from when he gave a graduation talk at

1051
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:39,320
Stanford and you know he said don't let

1052
00:48:43,630 --> 00:48:41,090
the noise of others opinions drown out

1053
00:48:44,950 --> 00:48:43,640
your own inner voice and most important

1054
00:48:47,710 --> 00:48:44,960
have the courage to follow your heart

1055
00:48:49,390 --> 00:48:47,720
and intuition they somehow already know

1056
00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:49,400
what you truly want to become

1057
00:48:54,790 --> 00:48:52,250
right and I always took that as kind of

1058
00:48:57,340 --> 00:48:54,800
a mantra and a teaching so you know he

1059
00:48:59,380 --> 00:48:57,350
is kind of viewed as the Zen master of

1060
00:49:00,760 --> 00:48:59,390
Silicon Valley because it's all about

1061
00:49:02,890 --> 00:49:00,770
becoming the person that you were meant

1062
00:49:04,150 --> 00:49:02,900
to be and as we talk about quantum

1063
00:49:06,310 --> 00:49:04,160
physics and we talk about all these

1064
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:06,320
probabilities if we think of ourselves

1065
00:49:11,849 --> 00:49:11,450
as having multiple future selves each of

1066
00:49:14,039 --> 00:49:11,859
which has

1067
00:49:15,720 --> 00:49:14,049
a certain probability that becomes what

1068
00:49:17,489 --> 00:49:15,730
I like to think of as a the treasure map

1069
00:49:20,069 --> 00:49:17,499
of our lives there are all these places

1070
00:49:21,989 --> 00:49:20,079
that we might end up and each of those

1071
00:49:23,910 --> 00:49:21,999
places like I said earlier is sending us

1072
00:49:26,519 --> 00:49:23,920
information and you know sometimes

1073
00:49:29,759 --> 00:49:26,529
people say well I wish I had a a device

1074
00:49:31,710 --> 00:49:29,769
a quantum device that I could detect you

1075
00:49:33,779 --> 00:49:31,720
know all these possible futures and the

1076
00:49:36,470 --> 00:49:33,789
truth is we already have one it's called

1077
00:49:39,089 --> 00:49:36,480
our mind and it's our consciousness

1078
00:49:43,259 --> 00:49:39,099
woody and that's what's interesting yes

1079
00:49:47,180 --> 00:49:43,269
it is it is because at last year when

1080
00:49:50,849 --> 00:49:47,190
the chatter started to happen out of

1081
00:49:52,559 --> 00:49:50,859
Silicon Valley about you know a few

1082
00:49:54,059 --> 00:49:52,569
different billionaires we don't need to

1083
00:49:58,170 --> 00:49:54,069
mention names doesn't really matter but

1084
00:50:00,210 --> 00:49:58,180
another corporate heads and and design

1085
00:50:03,420 --> 00:50:00,220
had started to talk about the

1086
00:50:06,299 --> 00:50:03,430
possibility that we were the very real

1087
00:50:09,299 --> 00:50:06,309
possibility that we were living in an

1088
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:09,309
artificial reality that this wasn't real

1089
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:12,249
that we could we there may be a matrix

1090
00:50:19,829 --> 00:50:15,970
and that life is could actually be just

1091
00:50:21,599 --> 00:50:19,839
that that was pretty shocking for a lot

1092
00:50:25,109 --> 00:50:21,609
of people to read do you think that is

1093
00:50:27,450 --> 00:50:25,119
really prevalent up there it's

1094
00:50:29,970 --> 00:50:27,460
definitely a conversation that started

1095
00:50:31,799 --> 00:50:29,980
you know last year I think you know

1096
00:50:34,470 --> 00:50:31,809
along with this idea that artificial

1097
00:50:35,670 --> 00:50:34,480
intelligence is developing to the point

1098
00:50:39,180 --> 00:50:35,680
where we could transfer our

1099
00:50:41,009 --> 00:50:39,190
consciousness you know to a machine to

1100
00:50:42,390 --> 00:50:41,019
try to live forever and those two ideas

1101
00:50:44,339 --> 00:50:42,400
that we really might be living in the

1102
00:50:45,630 --> 00:50:44,349
matrix and that we're approaching this

1103
00:50:47,339 --> 00:50:45,640
point of the singularity where

1104
00:50:49,470 --> 00:50:47,349
artificial intelligence become smarter

1105
00:50:52,109 --> 00:50:49,480
than us are talked about quite a bit now

1106
00:50:54,420 --> 00:50:52,119
I personally think it's a really

1107
00:50:58,079 --> 00:50:54,430
interesting conversation you know

1108
00:50:59,609 --> 00:50:58,089
whether we're in a simulation or not you

1109
00:51:01,950 --> 00:50:59,619
know I spent the last 10 years making

1110
00:51:06,059 --> 00:51:01,960
video games right and when you make

1111
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:06,069
video games you have these NPCs or non

1112
00:51:10,769 --> 00:51:07,930
player characters who are there to

1113
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:10,779
interact with the player and the player

1114
00:51:16,079 --> 00:51:13,450
has to go through certain levels and

1115
00:51:18,150 --> 00:51:16,089
obstacles to get to the places that they

1116
00:51:21,059 --> 00:51:18,160
may want to get to you kind of lay this

1117
00:51:22,529 --> 00:51:21,069
out almost like what I was talking about

1118
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:22,539
earlier with a set of quantum

1119
00:51:26,259 --> 00:51:24,970
probabilities of things that we might do

1120
00:51:28,180 --> 00:51:26,269
in the few

1121
00:51:30,249 --> 00:51:28,190
and if you think you know a million

1122
00:51:32,049 --> 00:51:30,259
years from now where our technology

1123
00:51:36,370 --> 00:51:32,059
might be not just like 10 years 20 years

1124
00:51:38,289 --> 00:51:36,380
or a hundred years the resolution of a

1125
00:51:40,539 --> 00:51:38,299
simulation and with virtual reality is

1126
00:51:42,940 --> 00:51:40,549
trying to see this get so real that it's

1127
00:51:44,859 --> 00:51:42,950
hard to distinguish between them and

1128
00:51:47,289 --> 00:51:44,869
then as I studied a lot of Eastern

1129
00:51:48,819 --> 00:51:47,299
concepts when you look at Tibetan

1130
00:51:53,079 --> 00:51:48,829
Buddhism and you look at some of the

1131
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:53,089
other concepts the Yogi's you know they

1132
00:51:58,539 --> 00:51:56,210
also kind of agree right it that we may

1133
00:52:00,489 --> 00:51:58,549
be living in a kind of a dream world in

1134
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:00,499
fact in Tibet they have this idea of

1135
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:03,170
Karimi yoga and the whole idea of dream

1136
00:52:08,710 --> 00:52:05,690
yoga is to realize while you're dreaming

1137
00:52:11,589 --> 00:52:08,720
that what you see is only a dream and

1138
00:52:13,210 --> 00:52:11,599
it's only temporary and that at some

1139
00:52:15,009 --> 00:52:13,220
point you'll wake up and that the idea

1140
00:52:16,870 --> 00:52:15,019
is if you can do that and it's very

1141
00:52:20,049 --> 00:52:16,880
related to what we call lucid dreaming

1142
00:52:22,150 --> 00:52:20,059
in the West now now you can also wake up

1143
00:52:24,970 --> 00:52:22,160
from the dream or the simulation that is

1144
00:52:27,549 --> 00:52:24,980
our reality and which we call waking

1145
00:52:29,289 --> 00:52:27,559
life so you know the more I the more I

1146
00:52:31,390 --> 00:52:29,299
looked into it the more I think there is

1147
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:31,400
something to that and as I said earlier

1148
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:34,970
I I've you synchronicity and glimpses of

1149
00:52:39,549 --> 00:52:37,130
the future and hunches and intuition as

1150
00:52:41,410 --> 00:52:39,559
kind of glitches in this matrix it's

1151
00:52:43,420 --> 00:52:41,420
what lets us know that there's something

1152
00:52:45,970 --> 00:52:43,430
behind the scenes and we can't always

1153
00:52:47,229 --> 00:52:45,980
you know see exactly what's going on but

1154
00:52:48,849 --> 00:52:47,239
that there is something more going on

1155
00:52:50,289 --> 00:52:48,859
than what we're seeing around us know

1156
00:52:53,559 --> 00:52:50,299
we're gonna make we're gonna hit a break

1157
00:53:00,720 --> 00:52:53,569
here in about five minutes so I I want

1158
00:53:04,900 --> 00:53:00,730
to go here if if we are living in a

1159
00:53:08,589 --> 00:53:04,910
simulated situation right well indeed we

1160
00:53:12,190 --> 00:53:08,599
are ones and zeroes would you have a

1161
00:53:14,319 --> 00:53:12,200
problem with that I would I have a

1162
00:53:16,029 --> 00:53:14,329
problem with yeah what would change what

1163
00:53:18,130 --> 00:53:16,039
would change about your life nothing

1164
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:18,140
really right yeah I mean you're still

1165
00:53:23,170 --> 00:53:20,930
living the simulation unless you're able

1166
00:53:26,470 --> 00:53:23,180
to recognize you know that it's a

1167
00:53:28,630 --> 00:53:26,480
simulation and then you could wake up

1168
00:53:31,930 --> 00:53:28,640
and then figure out you know I believe

1169
00:53:35,170 --> 00:53:31,940
we're all here to do certain things and

1170
00:53:38,140 --> 00:53:35,180
those are the inclinations we have and

1171
00:53:39,340 --> 00:53:38,150
we get called back to doing these types

1172
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:39,350
of things you know for me it's

1173
00:53:42,460 --> 00:53:41,090
always been about bridging the left

1174
00:53:45,700 --> 00:53:42,470
brain and the right brain that's been

1175
00:53:47,230 --> 00:53:45,710
part of my mission in life and bridging

1176
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:47,240
Eastern concepts and bringing them into

1177
00:53:51,570 --> 00:53:49,850
the Western settings like engineering

1178
00:53:55,030 --> 00:53:51,580
like startups and in the business world

1179
00:53:56,980 --> 00:53:55,040
and I I believe we have these themes and

1180
00:54:00,120 --> 00:53:56,990
they may be laid out for us I mean if

1181
00:54:02,470 --> 00:54:00,130
you go more to the spiritual world

1182
00:54:04,420 --> 00:54:02,480
you'll notice people didn't hypnosis and

1183
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:04,430
regress to people like dr. Michael

1184
00:54:07,780 --> 00:54:05,810
Newton who wrote journey of souls and

1185
00:54:09,820 --> 00:54:07,790
Brian Weiss who wrote many lives many

1186
00:54:12,010 --> 00:54:09,830
masters they both agree that when they

1187
00:54:14,250 --> 00:54:12,020
regress patients to before birth that

1188
00:54:17,170 --> 00:54:14,260
there was this planning session where

1189
00:54:19,990 --> 00:54:17,180
some guides would lay out for us the

1190
00:54:22,150 --> 00:54:20,000
probable events of this future life and

1191
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:22,160
we had to kind of remember them

1192
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:24,530
the ancient Chinese say that there's a

1193
00:54:28,900 --> 00:54:25,850
goddess of forgetfulness

1194
00:54:31,270 --> 00:54:28,910
Manko and that we drink this tea of

1195
00:54:32,710 --> 00:54:31,280
forgetfulness she brews for us before

1196
00:54:34,450 --> 00:54:32,720
when we're born and we forget all the

1197
00:54:37,150 --> 00:54:34,460
stuff that we were supposed to do and

1198
00:54:38,740 --> 00:54:37,160
and so you know for me that's very

1199
00:54:40,750 --> 00:54:38,750
interesting because the realization that

1200
00:54:42,490 --> 00:54:40,760
we're in a simulation but we have goals

1201
00:54:44,470 --> 00:54:42,500
and levels and things we're here to do

1202
00:54:46,540 --> 00:54:44,480
is it's quite appealing being a video

1203
00:54:48,610 --> 00:54:46,550
game designer myself but also agrees

1204
00:54:51,250 --> 00:54:48,620
with what some of the ancient traditions

1205
00:54:54,310 --> 00:54:51,260
have been telling us in my opinion the

1206
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:54,320
first the first Tron the second traum

1207
00:54:59,140 --> 00:54:56,210
was good too by the way but but the

1208
00:55:01,030 --> 00:54:59,150
first Tron was a game changer

1209
00:55:03,730 --> 00:55:01,040
not only in production for production

1210
00:55:07,170 --> 00:55:03,740
value but the story and also and

1211
00:55:11,170 --> 00:55:07,180
especially back then talking about a

1212
00:55:13,540 --> 00:55:11,180
virus or Ram and it you know all of

1213
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:13,550
those computer terms that today we we

1214
00:55:18,750 --> 00:55:15,650
you know we take for granted but back

1215
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:18,760
then it was a pretty revolutionary

1216
00:55:25,030 --> 00:55:22,970
script and story amazing but you know

1217
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:25,040
living on a chip which is exactly what

1218
00:55:30,130 --> 00:55:27,050
we're talking about right now I don't

1219
00:55:35,350 --> 00:55:30,140
have a problem with that if I if I could

1220
00:55:37,780 --> 00:55:35,360
if I could download my myself onto a USB

1221
00:55:40,450 --> 00:55:37,790
Drive and load it up into a virtual

1222
00:55:42,850 --> 00:55:40,460
reality thing and live forever and hang

1223
00:55:45,550 --> 00:55:42,860
out there I'm down with that

1224
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:45,560
and that's what and those and this is

1225
00:55:50,590 --> 00:55:47,450
what's scary if I'm down with that

1226
00:55:53,230 --> 00:55:50,600
Riz you know people and yourself

1227
00:55:55,390 --> 00:55:53,240
included that have the resources to

1228
00:55:58,030 --> 00:55:55,400
pursue that and get it done for

1229
00:56:00,790 --> 00:55:58,040
immortality it would have to be a goal

1230
00:56:03,460 --> 00:56:00,800
with somebody with a lot of money yeah I

1231
00:56:04,510 --> 00:56:03,470
mean I think that is a big goal for a

1232
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:04,520
lot of people and people are looking

1233
00:56:08,710 --> 00:56:06,410
into it I think we're still quite a few

1234
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:08,720
years away with our current technology

1235
00:56:13,330 --> 00:56:11,090
from being able to do that you know I

1236
00:56:14,890 --> 00:56:13,340
also tend to look to some of the older

1237
00:56:17,220 --> 00:56:14,900
ancient traditions and try to bring in

1238
00:56:19,930 --> 00:56:17,230
consciousness I'm not sure that

1239
00:56:22,690 --> 00:56:19,940
downloading our consciousness to a chip

1240
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:22,700
is necessarily the best way to go if you

1241
00:56:26,860 --> 00:56:24,530
look at the the sweater called the six

1242
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:26,870
yoga's of Naropa which were passed down

1243
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:28,370
in the Tibetan traditions one of them

1244
00:56:32,890 --> 00:56:30,530
was the yoga of consciousness

1245
00:56:35,650 --> 00:56:32,900
transference and so right at the time of

1246
00:56:37,270 --> 00:56:35,660
death you your soul would go out of your

1247
00:56:40,570 --> 00:56:37,280
forehead and into another biological

1248
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:40,580
being and there's a famous story of yogi

1249
00:56:43,240 --> 00:56:42,290
that whose horse trip that he was about

1250
00:56:45,370 --> 00:56:43,250
to die and he transferred his

1251
00:56:47,380 --> 00:56:45,380
consciousness to a bird and Tibet and he

1252
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:47,390
flew to India and then he then he ended

1253
00:56:51,250 --> 00:56:49,610
up inhabited a body that had just died

1254
00:56:53,290 --> 00:56:51,260
and then he went on for many years

1255
00:56:54,700 --> 00:56:53,300
teaching so you know they have other

1256
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:54,710
ideas about how we download

1257
00:56:59,350 --> 00:56:56,570
consciousness which is onto biological

1258
00:57:01,870 --> 00:56:59,360
systems you know whether it's compatible

1259
00:57:04,720 --> 00:57:01,880
we don't know that yet but you could see

1260
00:57:06,790 --> 00:57:04,730
again a thousand years from now that we

1261
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:06,800
would have that capability I don't think

1262
00:57:09,970 --> 00:57:08,690
it's quite as close on being a computer

1263
00:57:12,190 --> 00:57:09,980
scientist myself I don't think we're

1264
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:12,200
quite there yet let's take a break right

1265
00:57:17,980 --> 00:57:14,690
here that's a great answer but I think

1266
00:57:19,510 --> 00:57:17,990
that that version of the story which I

1267
00:57:23,350 --> 00:57:19,520
think we're all familiar with that

1268
00:57:26,530 --> 00:57:23,360
version is that that's not any you know

1269
00:57:28,060 --> 00:57:26,540
very far removed then to the electric

1270
00:57:30,190 --> 00:57:28,070
universe and that everything is

1271
00:57:32,530 --> 00:57:30,200
connected and that's exactly how

1272
00:57:35,410 --> 00:57:32,540
reincarnation happens it's more of a

1273
00:57:37,180 --> 00:57:35,420
technical thing not so much spiritual if

1274
00:57:37,510 --> 00:57:37,190
you understand what I'm saying our guest

1275
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:37,520
tonight

1276
00:57:41,830 --> 00:57:40,130
Riz burke i marrows to be terse this is

1277
00:57:44,180 --> 00:57:41,840
fade to black more with r is after this

1278
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:44,190
short break stay with us

1279
00:57:57,150 --> 00:57:54,410
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Riz Burke now he's got a new book out

1343
01:01:39,539 --> 01:01:37,660
it's called treasure hunt we're gonna

1344
01:01:41,190 --> 01:01:39,549
start discussing this now the book is

1345
01:01:43,650 --> 01:01:41,200
amazing I've got it here I'm holding it

1346
01:01:49,829 --> 01:01:43,660
up for everybody right there treasure

1347
01:01:52,019 --> 01:01:49,839
hunt and Riz in in reading the book a

1348
01:01:54,029 --> 01:01:52,029
couple of things I came away with and

1349
01:01:56,969 --> 01:01:54,039
we're gonna start discussing that now

1350
01:02:01,259 --> 01:01:56,979
but there's I want to get to clear up

1351
01:02:05,849 --> 01:02:01,269
some terms okay for everybody and we'll

1352
01:02:10,259 --> 01:02:05,859
do that but also 20 years ago 15 years

1353
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:10,269
ago the thought was if all we have to do

1354
01:02:16,829 --> 01:02:14,890
is get a website and then were rich we

1355
01:02:19,319 --> 01:02:16,839
don't even have to work for it and you

1356
01:02:21,930 --> 01:02:19,329
laugh because that was that was it right

1357
01:02:23,819 --> 01:02:21,940
that was it if you had a website yeah

1358
01:02:25,620 --> 01:02:23,829
you just go and visit some venture

1359
01:02:27,140 --> 01:02:25,630
capital firms you're gonna get a hundred

1360
01:02:30,839 --> 01:02:27,150
million dollars and the rest is history

1361
01:02:34,620 --> 01:02:30,849
but but that is not the case is it it

1362
01:02:36,870 --> 01:02:34,630
still it is it's a lot of work we've

1363
01:02:37,259 --> 01:02:36,880
we've built something pretty successful

1364
01:02:39,209 --> 01:02:37,269
here

1365
01:02:41,849 --> 01:02:39,219
you know fade to black we did it without

1366
01:02:45,660 --> 01:02:41,859
investors we did it without money we had

1367
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:45,670
an idea and back then there was no

1368
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:47,890
internet radio when we started we had to

1369
01:02:50,789 --> 01:02:50,170
figure out a way to stream audio on the

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01:02:52,709 --> 01:02:50,799
Internet

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01:02:55,559 --> 01:02:52,719
and back then that was that was tough

1372
01:02:57,269 --> 01:02:55,569
you know there was no broadband but but

1373
01:02:59,459 --> 01:02:57,279
we had a vision of the future like he

1374
01:03:02,969 --> 01:02:59,469
said and we stuck to it and here we are

1375
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:02,979
now in 2017 and life is good but people

1376
01:03:09,180 --> 01:03:05,890
think that it was all easy we had to

1377
01:03:09,930 --> 01:03:09,190
keep our foot on the gas for nearly ten

1378
01:03:12,749 --> 01:03:09,940
years

1379
01:03:14,339 --> 01:03:12,759
right and that yeah it takes a while and

1380
01:03:15,749 --> 01:03:14,349
I commend you on that you did it the

1381
01:03:17,940 --> 01:03:15,759
old-fashioned way right through hard

1382
01:03:20,009 --> 01:03:17,950
work without having billions of dollars

1383
01:03:22,349 --> 01:03:20,019
in investment in a credit card and a

1384
01:03:24,420 --> 01:03:22,359
credit card and a credit card yep

1385
01:03:26,579 --> 01:03:24,430
absolutely and and most successful

1386
01:03:28,469 --> 01:03:26,589
ventures it's kind of like the old adage

1387
01:03:31,620 --> 01:03:28,479
that they say in Hollywood about there's

1388
01:03:33,779 --> 01:03:31,630
rarely an overnight success right like

1389
01:03:35,430 --> 01:03:33,789
Jim Carrey burst on the scene with Ace

1390
01:03:37,109 --> 01:03:35,440
Ventura pet detective but people in

1391
01:03:39,239 --> 01:03:37,119
Hollywood had known him for a while as a

1392
01:03:39,990 --> 01:03:39,249
comic that had been going around he just

1393
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:40,000
hadn't found the

1394
01:03:45,510 --> 01:03:43,810
part this summer when I was at MIT we

1395
01:03:46,860 --> 01:03:45,520
had a bunch of video game companies in

1396
01:03:48,180 --> 01:03:46,870
virtual reality companies that were

1397
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:48,190
going through my program and one of the

1398
01:03:51,750 --> 01:03:50,050
speakers we brought in was one of the

1399
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:51,760
founders of harmonics which made Guitar

1400
01:03:55,890 --> 01:03:53,890
Hero which I'm sure you know cause

1401
01:03:57,840 --> 01:03:55,900
listeners may have heard of sure and he

1402
01:03:59,460 --> 01:03:57,850
told the story of harmonics which

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01:04:01,220 --> 01:03:59,470
started in 1995

1404
01:04:04,380 --> 01:04:01,230
well Guitar Hero didn't come out till

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01:04:06,060 --> 01:04:04,390
2005 so there were 10 years there where

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01:04:09,870 --> 01:04:06,070
they were struggling and barely getting

1407
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:09,880
by creating games about music that you

1408
01:04:13,260 --> 01:04:11,170
know weren't really getting much

1409
01:04:14,940 --> 01:04:13,270
attention but they were able to make it

1410
01:04:16,710 --> 01:04:14,950
work over a 10-year period and then

1411
01:04:18,510 --> 01:04:16,720
finally they had their big hit which

1412
01:04:20,220 --> 01:04:18,520
turned it into a very valuable company

1413
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:20,230
but they loved what they were doing and

1414
01:04:24,270 --> 01:04:22,450
that was the important part founder said

1415
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:24,280
you know where else could I get paid to

1416
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:26,290
be making music video games nowhere

1417
01:04:31,140 --> 01:04:28,810
really and I think that's part of what's

1418
01:04:32,850 --> 01:04:31,150
important is is for people to follow

1419
01:04:35,910 --> 01:04:32,860
their passion the things that they like

1420
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:35,920
to do and then see how the results of

1421
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:39,250
all I got I got yeah I got an e or word

1422
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:41,530
we're trying to give back - right and

1423
01:04:45,150 --> 01:04:43,090
we're running this contest right now

1424
01:04:46,980 --> 01:04:45,160
looking for the next late night podcast

1425
01:04:49,950 --> 01:04:46,990
arm we partnered up with to ask a man

1426
01:04:53,070 --> 01:04:49,960
and to be in a position like we are to

1427
01:04:54,900 --> 01:04:53,080
do something like that is is it's a

1428
01:04:56,730 --> 01:04:54,910
great feeling but this is the thing I

1429
01:04:59,820 --> 01:04:56,740
got an email from a friend of mine today

1430
01:05:03,120 --> 01:04:59,830
and he said you know Jimmy if if I enter

1431
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:03,130
the contest or not is one thing but if I

1432
01:05:08,250 --> 01:05:06,130
go and just buy the gear on my own how

1433
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:08,260
long I'm sure I should read the email

1434
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:10,450
how long would it take you know to see

1435
01:05:14,220 --> 01:05:12,970
the success that you know that's the man

1436
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:14,230
I don't want to I don't want to bum me

1437
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:14,890
out

1438
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:24,510
yeah you can do it you just can't take

1439
01:05:28,740 --> 01:05:25,330
your foot off the gas

1440
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:28,750
you can't stop like harmonics that's a

1441
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:30,610
really great point R is it's the best

1442
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:32,890
point if those guys would have given up

1443
01:05:37,110 --> 01:05:34,090
at year six

1444
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:37,120
we got no Guitar Hero yeah absolutely

1445
01:05:41,070 --> 01:05:38,530
and you know here in Silicon Valley

1446
01:05:44,460 --> 01:05:41,080
there's a common wisdom of fail-fast and

1447
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:44,470
pivot quickly which means if that was

1448
01:05:47,070 --> 01:05:45,850
they were doing that today in Silicon

1449
01:05:48,900 --> 01:05:47,080
Valley they would have abandoned it

1450
01:05:49,830 --> 01:05:48,910
after a year cuz there's investors with

1451
01:05:51,180 --> 01:05:49,840
their investors would have said hey

1452
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:51,190
let's go do something that you know

1453
01:05:53,819 --> 01:05:53,170
grows more quickly but they stuck with

1454
01:05:55,289 --> 01:05:53,829
it and

1455
01:05:56,940 --> 01:05:55,299
think that's that's important it was

1456
01:05:58,589 --> 01:05:56,950
part of their you know their mission

1457
01:06:00,959 --> 01:05:58,599
that they had come out of MIT and they

1458
01:06:03,209 --> 01:06:00,969
had been studying how music and

1459
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:03,219
technology are related so it was all

1460
01:06:07,229 --> 01:06:05,410
part of the the threat of their lives

1461
01:06:09,890 --> 01:06:07,239
and that's why they stuck with it now

1462
01:06:14,130 --> 01:06:09,900
what is let's discuss some terms here

1463
01:06:15,839 --> 01:06:14,140
what is an angel investor because you

1464
01:06:19,109 --> 01:06:15,849
are one we hear this term all the time

1465
01:06:24,479 --> 01:06:19,119
but nobody nobody's ever met an angel

1466
01:06:28,079 --> 01:06:24,489
investor right right

1467
01:06:30,779 --> 01:06:28,089
or both for that yeah so angel investor

1468
01:06:33,299 --> 01:06:30,789
the term typically refers to an

1469
01:06:34,499 --> 01:06:33,309
individual who has you know made some

1470
01:06:36,930 --> 01:06:34,509
money with one of their previous

1471
01:06:40,199 --> 01:06:36,940
companies and who are then investing in

1472
01:06:42,539 --> 01:06:40,209
other people's startups and it's in

1473
01:06:44,910 --> 01:06:42,549
contrast to a venture capitalist which

1474
01:06:47,370 --> 01:06:44,920
is a venture capital fund where they

1475
01:06:48,809 --> 01:06:47,380
have raised you know tens of millions or

1476
01:06:50,549 --> 01:06:48,819
hundreds and millions of dollars and

1477
01:06:52,739 --> 01:06:50,559
that's what they do professionally they

1478
01:06:54,900 --> 01:06:52,749
manage the money and they invest in

1479
01:06:56,279 --> 01:06:54,910
start-up companies angel investors are

1480
01:06:58,799 --> 01:06:56,289
just individuals who want to give back

1481
01:07:00,839 --> 01:06:58,809
and help other people grow their

1482
01:07:04,109 --> 01:07:00,849
businesses and projects does an angel

1483
01:07:07,410 --> 01:07:04,119
investor take a piece of the pie yeah

1484
01:07:09,799 --> 01:07:07,420
typically so usually as companies raise

1485
01:07:12,930 --> 01:07:09,809
money they you know they start off with

1486
01:07:14,910 --> 01:07:12,940
what used to be called the three apps my

1487
01:07:17,430 --> 01:07:14,920
friends family and fools there is a

1488
01:07:19,140 --> 01:07:17,440
comma right in my very first company in

1489
01:07:21,299 --> 01:07:19,150
the first place we got money was from my

1490
01:07:22,589 --> 01:07:21,309
co-founders parents they're the only

1491
01:07:24,599 --> 01:07:22,599
people you know who are willing to

1492
01:07:26,969 --> 01:07:24,609
invest in the early days of an idea but

1493
01:07:28,439 --> 01:07:26,979
then over time there are other

1494
01:07:30,180 --> 01:07:28,449
professional investors and maybe you

1495
01:07:31,650 --> 01:07:30,190
bring in a venture capitalist and so the

1496
01:07:33,839 --> 01:07:31,660
angel investors you know typically

1497
01:07:36,209 --> 01:07:33,849
invest earlier taking a lot more risk

1498
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:36,219
because the idea is sort of half-baked

1499
01:07:40,620 --> 01:07:38,650
usually when you first think about it in

1500
01:07:42,269 --> 01:07:40,630
many companies you know that go on to be

1501
01:07:44,549 --> 01:07:42,279
successful started off with a different

1502
01:07:46,949 --> 01:07:44,559
product then you know where they ended

1503
01:07:49,829 --> 01:07:46,959
up you or some of the listeners may have

1504
01:07:51,539 --> 01:07:49,839
used slack at work for example it's a

1505
01:07:53,789 --> 01:07:51,549
famous example of this where they

1506
01:07:55,650 --> 01:07:53,799
started off as a video game company the

1507
01:07:57,839 --> 01:07:55,660
game didn't work but they had built this

1508
01:08:00,029 --> 01:07:57,849
cool communication channel which they

1509
01:08:01,349 --> 01:08:00,039
then spun off as slack and that's you

1510
01:08:03,150 --> 01:08:01,359
know what we know today as the

1511
01:08:04,150 --> 01:08:03,160
communications tool so so that happens a

1512
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:04,160
lot does

1513
01:08:10,900 --> 01:08:08,450
an angel investor ever just go in and

1514
01:08:13,740 --> 01:08:10,910
take control of the company fire the

1515
01:08:16,809 --> 01:08:13,750
original CEO and run away with the goods

1516
01:08:20,110 --> 01:08:16,819
well so I mean I think that's a common

1517
01:08:21,999 --> 01:08:20,120
myth or misconception right so angel

1518
01:08:25,090 --> 01:08:22,009
investors never do that because usually

1519
01:08:26,740 --> 01:08:25,100
angel investors don't have a very big

1520
01:08:28,900 --> 01:08:26,750
chunk of the company right they usually

1521
01:08:31,660 --> 01:08:28,910
nest small amounts of money they may

1522
01:08:34,090 --> 01:08:31,670
have a few percent now as the companies

1523
01:08:35,740 --> 01:08:34,100
grow venture capitalists come in and

1524
01:08:37,570 --> 01:08:35,750
they might put in five million dollars

1525
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:37,580
into a series a and then ten million

1526
01:08:41,050 --> 01:08:39,650
dollars into a series B and over time

1527
01:08:42,610 --> 01:08:41,060
they get a bigger and bigger chunk of

1528
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:42,620
the company and it does happen sometimes

1529
01:08:47,789 --> 01:08:44,890
where they end up replacing the CEO

1530
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:47,799
because they feel like that person can't

1531
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:50,210
continue to grow the company it happened

1532
01:08:54,189 --> 01:08:51,850
to me in my very first startup as well

1533
01:08:55,870 --> 01:08:54,199
and it's not a fun experience for a

1534
01:08:59,079 --> 01:08:55,880
founder wait wait wait wait wait you got

1535
01:09:01,450 --> 01:08:59,089
fired by a venture capital firm from

1536
01:09:03,579 --> 01:09:01,460
your own company yeah you know I

1537
01:09:05,919 --> 01:09:03,589
wouldn't say fired I mean it was more

1538
01:09:08,410 --> 01:09:05,929
like I kind of agreed that it was time

1539
01:09:10,809 --> 01:09:08,420
to bring on a new CEO because you know

1540
01:09:12,220 --> 01:09:10,819
managing a small group of people and an

1541
01:09:14,919 --> 01:09:12,230
idea you know I'm an engineer by

1542
01:09:16,870 --> 01:09:14,929
background so I like to write code and I

1543
01:09:18,910 --> 01:09:16,880
like to build products but once you get

1544
01:09:20,349 --> 01:09:18,920
to like ten people it becomes a

1545
01:09:21,849 --> 01:09:20,359
different kind of management challenge

1546
01:09:23,950 --> 01:09:21,859
and then if the company gets to a

1547
01:09:25,630 --> 01:09:23,960
hundred people it becomes a different

1548
01:09:27,400 --> 01:09:25,640
kind of challenge now this was more

1549
01:09:29,860 --> 01:09:27,410
common on the East Coast in the 90s

1550
01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:29,870
which is where I was you know in Silicon

1551
01:09:33,849 --> 01:09:31,250
Valley I think they've they've started

1552
01:09:35,890 --> 01:09:33,859
to realize that if the founders can stay

1553
01:09:37,870 --> 01:09:35,900
and continue to run the company that's

1554
01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:37,880
more likely to be a good scenario I mean

1555
01:09:41,590 --> 01:09:40,250
you look at Microsoft you know where

1556
01:09:44,499 --> 01:09:41,600
Bill Gates stayed for a while or you

1557
01:09:46,059 --> 01:09:44,509
look at Facebook sure yeah that's

1558
01:09:47,169 --> 01:09:46,069
actually a better solution whereas I

1559
01:09:49,360 --> 01:09:47,179
think in the East Coast all the

1560
01:09:50,769 --> 01:09:49,370
financial guys were like okay these

1561
01:09:52,390 --> 01:09:50,779
engineers don't know what they're doing

1562
01:09:54,370 --> 01:09:52,400
let's bring on a business sky

1563
01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:54,380
quote-unquote I had a friend who used to

1564
01:09:58,300 --> 01:09:56,570
say they call him the the gray-haired

1565
01:10:00,610 --> 01:09:58,310
polo shirt wearing guys that they would

1566
01:10:03,189 --> 01:10:00,620
bring in to run the company after they

1567
01:10:05,890 --> 01:10:03,199
had invested in this and you know it's

1568
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:05,900
not always a bad thing but it's not you

1569
01:10:09,610 --> 01:10:07,730
know ideal if you if you were pursuing

1570
01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:09,620
your your project and you really want to

1571
01:10:16,209 --> 01:10:13,489
continue to run it and grow it now would

1572
01:10:16,630 --> 01:10:16,219
if you were giving advice and then

1573
01:10:18,310 --> 01:10:16,640
working

1574
01:10:20,430 --> 01:10:18,320
get to the Zen side of this but if

1575
01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:20,440
you're gonna give advice to somebody

1576
01:10:27,550 --> 01:10:24,410
would you encourage venture capital or

1577
01:10:30,730 --> 01:10:27,560
would you encourage something small or a

1578
01:10:32,380 --> 01:10:30,740
manageable like an angel investor well

1579
01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:32,390
my advice would be to always start with

1580
01:10:36,700 --> 01:10:34,610
an angel investor like with a small

1581
01:10:39,010 --> 01:10:36,710
amount of money because you know I know

1582
01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:39,020
how hard it is to get off the ground to

1583
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:40,250
get a project off the ground and

1584
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:41,930
sometimes having a little bit of money

1585
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:44,570
can really help and as I mentioned you

1586
01:10:48,850 --> 01:10:46,970
know our very first company you know we

1587
01:10:51,250 --> 01:10:48,860
had no money we had literally just

1588
01:10:54,550 --> 01:10:51,260
graduated a few years ago and we used to

1589
01:10:56,710 --> 01:10:54,560
buy computers from the equivalent of

1590
01:10:58,720 --> 01:10:56,720
Best Buy and return them in 30 days and

1591
01:11:01,090 --> 01:10:58,730
then rebuy them with our credit cards

1592
01:11:02,980 --> 01:11:01,100
because we barely had enough to buy you

1593
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:02,990
know QA computers to test out our

1594
01:11:08,260 --> 01:11:05,210
software and then we borrowed money from

1595
01:11:10,180 --> 01:11:08,270
my co-founders parents and then some

1596
01:11:11,290 --> 01:11:10,190
other friends parents and invested in

1597
01:11:13,510 --> 01:11:11,300
the company and that was enough for us

1598
01:11:15,070 --> 01:11:13,520
to get the company launched where we

1599
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:15,080
went to a conference in Florida and we

1600
01:11:17,830 --> 01:11:16,610
launched our product and it was you know

1601
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:17,840
very successful we have thousands of

1602
01:11:21,700 --> 01:11:19,610
companies who bought it and started to

1603
01:11:23,350 --> 01:11:21,710
use it so so I would definitely

1604
01:11:25,480 --> 01:11:23,360
recommend starting off with a small

1605
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:25,490
amount of investment enough to get you

1606
01:11:30,670 --> 01:11:27,290
going and you know one of the things

1607
01:11:41,020 --> 01:11:30,680
that that I'm doing on my website at

1608
01:11:43,660 --> 01:11:41,030
zenrising.com is Nasir and I say crazy

1609
01:11:47,190 --> 01:11:43,670
because I'm opening it up to very much

1610
01:11:50,440 --> 01:11:47,200
spiritual and conscious and perhaps even

1611
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:50,450
ufo-related ideas whereas most venture

1612
01:11:53,770 --> 01:11:52,610
capitalists and angel investors here in

1613
01:11:56,050 --> 01:11:53,780
Silicon Valley you know they tend to

1614
01:11:59,050 --> 01:11:56,060
invest only in whatever the the latest

1615
01:12:01,510 --> 01:11:59,060
hot tech is but you know I'm running

1616
01:12:05,260 --> 01:12:01,520
this competition so we can open it up to

1617
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:05,270
other types of ideas a good example of

1618
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:07,610
this is a an app that I invested in

1619
01:12:13,420 --> 01:12:11,290
where a woman named Ellen McDonough had

1620
01:12:15,550 --> 01:12:13,430
come across these different energetic

1621
01:12:18,370 --> 01:12:15,560
heat audios from different healers and

1622
01:12:19,780 --> 01:12:18,380
she did those audios helped her with her

1623
01:12:22,270 --> 01:12:19,790
own healing when Western medicine

1624
01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:22,280
couldn't and those audios might have

1625
01:12:25,780 --> 01:12:24,410
some type of binaural beats they may

1626
01:12:28,210 --> 01:12:25,790
have different frequencies they may be

1627
01:12:29,710 --> 01:12:28,220
energized by intentions stuff that a lot

1628
01:12:30,490 --> 01:12:29,720
of in you know left minded people in

1629
01:12:32,290 --> 01:12:30,500
Silicon Valley

1630
01:12:35,380 --> 01:12:32,300
wouldn't understand or believe in or

1631
01:12:38,020 --> 01:12:35,390
talk they wouldn't even go near and near

1632
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:38,030
that I said well this is clearly a part

1633
01:12:41,650 --> 01:12:39,650
of her personal past she wanted to put

1634
01:12:43,630 --> 01:12:41,660
them all together into an app called

1635
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:43,640
pure light audio which would make it

1636
01:12:46,990 --> 01:12:45,890
really easy for people to find these and

1637
01:12:50,140 --> 01:12:47,000
I thought you know there was a higher

1638
01:12:51,910 --> 01:12:50,150
purpose to that particular app and and

1639
01:12:53,230 --> 01:12:51,920
now it's out it's pure light audio and I

1640
01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:53,240
had to invested a small amount of money

1641
01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:54,410
in that and helped her get it off the

1642
01:12:58,390 --> 01:12:56,090
ground and I thought well maybe we can

1643
01:13:00,580 --> 01:12:58,400
do this with other spiritual unconscious

1644
01:13:03,250 --> 01:13:00,590
ideas but you know it could be anything

1645
01:13:05,110 --> 01:13:03,260
could be a prototype of an antigravity

1646
01:13:06,790 --> 01:13:05,120
device you know I've talked to people

1647
01:13:08,490 --> 01:13:06,800
who you know could use a little bit of

1648
01:13:11,080 --> 01:13:08,500
money just to get a small piece together

1649
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:11,090
and and that's stuff that you know a lot

1650
01:13:14,590 --> 01:13:12,650
of people here wouldn't touch in Silicon

1651
01:13:16,690 --> 01:13:14,600
Valley but it's part of this context

1652
01:13:20,020 --> 01:13:16,700
well okay so let's let's talk about that

1653
01:13:25,780 --> 01:13:20,030
how how does the contest work first you

1654
01:13:27,850 --> 01:13:25,790
buy the book yeah do you have to buy the

1655
01:13:30,970 --> 01:13:27,860
book you have to buy the book to enter

1656
01:13:32,740 --> 01:13:30,980
the competition okay fair enough and you

1657
01:13:35,410 --> 01:13:32,750
have to show you have to fill out an

1658
01:13:38,530 --> 01:13:35,420
application that shows what clues you

1659
01:13:39,970 --> 01:13:38,540
followed what intuition you followed

1660
01:13:42,700 --> 01:13:39,980
that are calling you to do this

1661
01:13:44,830 --> 01:13:42,710
particular project and so you know

1662
01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:44,840
there's a whole set of guidelines up on

1663
01:13:48,850 --> 01:13:46,130
my website it has to be a project that

1664
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:48,860
can be invested in it could be a film

1665
01:13:53,890 --> 01:13:51,890
idea it could be a retail service idea

1666
01:13:55,480 --> 01:13:53,900
really any kind of idea it couldn't be

1667
01:13:57,700 --> 01:13:55,490
like a painting necessarily I don't know

1668
01:13:59,290 --> 01:13:57,710
how it could invest in that so and then

1669
01:14:01,450 --> 01:13:59,300
I'll choose finalists from the

1670
01:14:03,130 --> 01:14:01,460
applications and we'll do some sessions

1671
01:14:05,050 --> 01:14:03,140
kind of like Shark Tank but without the

1672
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:05,060
Sharks right as we're trying to make

1673
01:14:08,830 --> 01:14:07,010
this more of a spiritual conscious

1674
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:08,840
business type of initiative now your

1675
01:14:15,100 --> 01:14:10,970
publisher sent me the book for free so

1676
01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:15,110
that means I can't enter I guess I'm out

1677
01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:18,250
I'm already half way through it man so

1678
01:14:26,370 --> 01:14:22,930
but okay so let's continue so they

1679
01:14:32,740 --> 01:14:26,380
follow the clues but the clues aren't

1680
01:14:34,440 --> 01:14:32,750
your normal type of clues right I want

1681
01:14:38,530 --> 01:14:34,450
you to be clear on this it's not like

1682
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:38,540
the board game Clue here no so the clues

1683
01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:41,050
that I'm talking about here are really

1684
01:14:46,810 --> 01:14:44,330
what the book is all about which is

1685
01:14:49,930 --> 01:14:46,820
aspects of our intuition and the best

1686
01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:49,940
clue being a synchronicity and many of

1687
01:14:53,230 --> 01:14:51,890
your listeners probably already know you

1688
01:14:55,930 --> 01:14:53,240
know the term synchronicity but it was

1689
01:14:59,430 --> 01:14:55,940
defined by Carl Jung and he said it was

1690
01:15:02,470 --> 01:14:59,440
a meaningful coincidence or an a causal

1691
01:15:04,270 --> 01:15:02,480
connecting principle when two things are

1692
01:15:06,070 --> 01:15:04,280
connected but you can't see the logical

1693
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:06,080
connection it could be as simple as you

1694
01:15:10,180 --> 01:15:08,090
have a dream about a friend and then

1695
01:15:12,250 --> 01:15:10,190
they email you or call you the next day

1696
01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:12,260
so there's an internal and an external

1697
01:15:18,130 --> 01:15:16,130
component to every clue and so you know

1698
01:15:20,350 --> 01:15:18,140
synchronicities are one of the types of

1699
01:15:22,210 --> 01:15:20,360
clues it could be a gut feeling or a

1700
01:15:24,310 --> 01:15:22,220
hunch that you have that repeats itself

1701
01:15:25,780 --> 01:15:24,320
and in the book I talk about the rules

1702
01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:25,790
of treasure hunting and the first rule

1703
01:15:31,570 --> 01:15:29,690
is is it unusual if it is then it's

1704
01:15:33,250 --> 01:15:31,580
probably a clue right I told you the

1705
01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:33,260
story earlier about having the dream

1706
01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:35,090
about that competitor yeah well if I had

1707
01:15:37,900 --> 01:15:36,650
had lots of dreams about the competitor

1708
01:15:40,330 --> 01:15:37,910
and I saw him all the time then that

1709
01:15:42,070 --> 01:15:40,340
would not have been unusual but I had

1710
01:15:43,540 --> 01:15:42,080
never had a dream about that guy and I

1711
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:43,550
hadn't heard from them in over a year

1712
01:15:51,010 --> 01:15:46,730
therefore it was unusual and so that was

1713
01:15:52,690 --> 01:15:51,020
what I would classify as a clue and if

1714
01:15:56,350 --> 01:15:52,700
the second rule of treasure hunting is

1715
01:15:59,800 --> 01:15:56,360
that if Clues repeat then they're likely

1716
01:16:01,900 --> 01:15:59,810
to be more important and I can you know

1717
01:16:03,910 --> 01:16:01,910
tell you quite a quite a few stories in

1718
01:16:05,620 --> 01:16:03,920
the book and about you know these

1719
01:16:07,990 --> 01:16:05,630
examples and it could be as simple as a

1720
01:16:10,090 --> 01:16:08,000
bumper sticker that calls out to you I

1721
01:16:13,330 --> 01:16:10,100
had a friend in Arizona this was before

1722
01:16:14,740 --> 01:16:13,340
the housing crash in 2008 and she wanted

1723
01:16:16,030 --> 01:16:14,750
to buy a house there and she wasn't

1724
01:16:17,740 --> 01:16:16,040
finding one that she was liking and she

1725
01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:17,750
was a little down about it and she

1726
01:16:20,950 --> 01:16:19,010
started to drive home and there was this

1727
01:16:23,110 --> 01:16:20,960
car that was in front of her for

1728
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:23,120
literally half an hour and that's when

1729
01:16:26,770 --> 01:16:24,890
you know you might be onto a clue when

1730
01:16:29,290 --> 01:16:26,780
something is in your line of sight and

1731
01:16:31,300 --> 01:16:29,300
you can't help but notice it well that

1732
01:16:33,250 --> 01:16:31,310
car had a bumper sticker on it and the

1733
01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:33,260
bumper sticker said not all those who

1734
01:16:39,610 --> 01:16:37,730
wander are lost and and she started to

1735
01:16:41,050 --> 01:16:39,620
think about that and clearly there was a

1736
01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:41,060
message for her then she was browsing

1737
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:42,530
the web and she saw that phrase again

1738
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:45,050
not all those who wander are lost and

1739
01:16:48,490 --> 01:16:46,970
she came to me and said well where's

1740
01:16:50,710 --> 01:16:48,500
this from and I said well it's from a

1741
01:16:52,660 --> 01:16:50,720
poem in the Lord of the Rings you know

1742
01:16:54,940 --> 01:16:52,670
not all that glitters is gold and not

1743
01:16:56,530 --> 01:16:54,950
all those who wander are lost and she

1744
01:16:57,810 --> 01:16:56,540
wasn't even a fan of science fiction or

1745
01:16:59,370 --> 01:16:57,820
fantasy but for

1746
01:17:00,960 --> 01:16:59,380
her it was a message that it's okay for

1747
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:00,970
her not to settle down and get a

1748
01:17:05,460 --> 01:17:03,850
mortgage and buy a house there in

1749
01:17:07,020 --> 01:17:05,470
Arizona what happened the next year was

1750
01:17:08,610 --> 01:17:07,030
the housing crisis and everything

1751
01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:08,620
crashed and she ended up wanting to move

1752
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:10,930
but if she had gotten a mortgage like

1753
01:17:13,830 --> 01:17:12,010
she was thinking she would have had a

1754
01:17:15,810 --> 01:17:13,840
hard time you know making the move after

1755
01:17:17,450 --> 01:17:15,820
that so it was a personalized message

1756
01:17:19,470 --> 01:17:17,460
and that's the third rule of

1757
01:17:23,370 --> 01:17:19,480
treasure-hunting is that these clues are

1758
01:17:26,220 --> 01:17:23,380
very personalized you know when it comes

1759
01:17:29,670 --> 01:17:26,230
to young and and synchronicities first

1760
01:17:32,790 --> 01:17:29,680
off I have probably three four five

1761
01:17:37,110 --> 01:17:32,800
synchronicities a day why because I know

1762
01:17:39,990 --> 01:17:37,120
what to look you know I know I'm open to

1763
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:40,000
it but you need to pay attention when

1764
01:17:44,100 --> 01:17:41,770
these things happen because the next day

1765
01:17:46,140 --> 01:17:44,110
or something else you know things

1766
01:17:48,750 --> 01:17:46,150
connect and then you get to enjoy the

1767
01:17:53,310 --> 01:17:48,760
moment right it's really fun when it

1768
01:17:55,290 --> 01:17:53,320
happens but young so about just a weird

1769
01:17:59,430 --> 01:17:55,300
thing you know we're all fans of young

1770
01:18:02,610 --> 01:17:59,440
but maybe it was probably about a month

1771
01:18:04,500 --> 01:18:02,620
ago and Reid and I are watching a

1772
01:18:07,740 --> 01:18:04,510
documentary I think that's what it was

1773
01:18:11,190 --> 01:18:07,750
and but anyway in this documentary about

1774
01:18:12,810 --> 01:18:11,200
young when he said that when he started

1775
01:18:14,340 --> 01:18:12,820
to lose his mind and he was trying to

1776
01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:14,350
figure things out when he was really

1777
01:18:20,940 --> 01:18:17,050
tripping he said his famous quote you

1778
01:18:22,710 --> 01:18:20,950
know I found a door right and and I

1779
01:18:26,250 --> 01:18:22,720
found a door and I'd you know walk

1780
01:18:28,530 --> 01:18:26,260
through it well okay and and and the

1781
01:18:31,050 --> 01:18:28,540
quote we've all heard many times right

1782
01:18:34,440 --> 01:18:31,060
but you know I heard it again now since

1783
01:18:38,580 --> 01:18:34,450
then I have heard a reference about the

1784
01:18:41,970 --> 01:18:38,590
door in the mind's eye nearly every day

1785
01:18:45,990 --> 01:18:41,980
I can't think of the last 10 years when

1786
01:18:49,980 --> 01:18:46,000
I've had that once right look at that

1787
01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:49,990
it's unusual and it's repeating everyday

1788
01:18:56,100 --> 01:18:54,130
you just said it now man it was

1789
01:18:58,230 --> 01:18:56,110
mentioned last night on the show with

1790
01:19:01,970 --> 01:18:58,240
Alexis Brooks it was mentioned on Monday

1791
01:19:05,910 --> 01:19:01,980
show with with chance Gardner and his

1792
01:19:07,500 --> 01:19:05,920
documentary anyway it's it's just it I

1793
01:19:09,810 --> 01:19:07,510
can't pump the brakes on this truck

1794
01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:09,820
right now so I'm just gonna ride it out

1795
01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:10,410
and

1796
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:17,250
about what are the clues though or the

1797
01:19:22,940 --> 01:19:20,010
synchronicities to avoid because you

1798
01:19:26,720 --> 01:19:22,950
can't you can't react to every one of

1799
01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:26,730
them yeah that that's true and so you

1800
01:19:31,340 --> 01:19:28,050
know in the book I talked about this

1801
01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:31,350
idea of the clue lifecycle and the idea

1802
01:19:35,810 --> 01:19:33,690
is that these clues can go through

1803
01:19:37,610 --> 01:19:35,820
different stages and it's a way of

1804
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:37,620
bringing together the left brain and the

1805
01:19:42,830 --> 01:19:39,690
right brain I mean you might have a

1806
01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:42,840
dream about Italy you don't want to go

1807
01:19:48,050 --> 01:19:45,210
wake up the next morning quit your job

1808
01:19:49,970 --> 01:19:48,060
and move to Italy or maybe you do right

1809
01:19:52,990 --> 01:19:49,980
but you know it's not a very practical

1810
01:19:54,980 --> 01:19:53,000
thing to do and so what I recommend is

1811
01:19:57,200 --> 01:19:54,990
going through this cruel acts like on

1812
01:19:59,030 --> 01:19:57,210
the first stage is intuition that's when

1813
01:20:00,860 --> 01:19:59,040
you notice something and the second

1814
01:20:02,210 --> 01:20:00,870
stage is interpretation well what is

1815
01:20:04,790 --> 01:20:02,220
this clue trying to tell me

1816
01:20:07,400 --> 01:20:04,800
now the third stage is not taking action

1817
01:20:10,760 --> 01:20:07,410
the third stage is confirmation and

1818
01:20:12,590 --> 01:20:10,770
that's where you know you wait for other

1819
01:20:14,270 --> 01:20:12,600
clues and if it's really important to

1820
01:20:18,470 --> 01:20:14,280
you in your life then the clue will keep

1821
01:20:20,390 --> 01:20:18,480
repeating then you take an action and

1822
01:20:22,460 --> 01:20:20,400
you know you mentioned this this year

1823
01:20:24,200 --> 01:20:22,470
include for yourself you know you can

1824
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:24,210
think about what that might mean

1825
01:20:28,460 --> 01:20:26,010
and then what direction that might be

1826
01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:28,470
pointing you towards and then you take

1827
01:20:32,210 --> 01:20:30,210
action so the next stage after

1828
01:20:34,250 --> 01:20:32,220
confirmation is taking a half step or

1829
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:34,260
inaction and seeing if the universe

1830
01:20:37,700 --> 01:20:36,090
supports you in that and so the idea

1831
01:20:40,670 --> 01:20:37,710
here is if you're somebody who acts too

1832
01:20:42,740 --> 01:20:40,680
quickly the clue lifecycle can slow you

1833
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:42,750
down a little bit on the other hand if

1834
01:20:48,440 --> 01:20:45,930
you're somebody that likes to analyze

1835
01:20:50,480 --> 01:20:48,450
and overanalyze and never takes action

1836
01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:50,490
the clue lifecycle gives you an excuse

1837
01:20:54,020 --> 01:20:52,530
to say okay that's two confirmations

1838
01:20:56,300 --> 01:20:54,030
it's time for me to take some action now

1839
01:20:58,370 --> 01:20:56,310
and see where this clewd is clue is

1840
01:21:01,520 --> 01:20:58,380
leading me and to what kind of a pattern

1841
01:21:04,010 --> 01:21:01,530
is emerging I'll give you an example

1842
01:21:05,510 --> 01:21:04,020
from my own life years ago again back in

1843
01:21:07,700 --> 01:21:05,520
the 90s I was living in Boston this was

1844
01:21:09,110 --> 01:21:07,710
in fact after I had been fired by my a

1845
01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:09,120
venture capitalist I was thinking of

1846
01:21:13,670 --> 01:21:11,370
trying to spend time in California and

1847
01:21:15,410 --> 01:21:13,680
Boston and be bicoastal of course I had

1848
01:21:18,050 --> 01:21:15,420
no money I was in my 20s so it's not

1849
01:21:20,060 --> 01:21:18,060
exactly an easy thing to do and so I was

1850
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:20,070
wondering if I'd be able to do this and

1851
01:21:25,830 --> 01:21:23,050
I started to notice these mermaids and

1852
01:21:27,689 --> 01:21:25,840
we're in New England well it turns out

1853
01:21:29,250 --> 01:21:27,699
every you know seafood restaurant in New

1854
01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:29,260
England has either a picture or a statue

1855
01:21:33,229 --> 01:21:31,690
of a mermaid but I lived there for ten

1856
01:21:36,750 --> 01:21:33,239
years and had never noticed them before

1857
01:21:39,870 --> 01:21:36,760
and so it was an unusual symbol and it

1858
01:21:41,700 --> 01:21:39,880
kept repeating and and my mind started

1859
01:21:43,379 --> 01:21:41,710
to notice it and and that's the

1860
01:21:45,299 --> 01:21:43,389
important point here is that when we

1861
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:45,309
have a hunch or a feeling about a

1862
01:21:49,890 --> 01:21:47,050
particular external object it's almost

1863
01:21:52,530 --> 01:21:49,900
as if there's an invisible hand that's

1864
01:21:55,010 --> 01:21:52,540
pointing it out to us right kind of like

1865
01:21:58,020 --> 01:21:55,020
you're hearing about you every day now

1866
01:21:59,580 --> 01:21:58,030
eating again and again and so I started

1867
01:22:01,290 --> 01:21:59,590
to go to the interpretation stage and

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01:22:03,240 --> 01:22:01,300
say okay well what does a mermaid mean

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01:22:05,310 --> 01:22:03,250
to me well you know I was a big fan of

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01:22:07,799 --> 01:22:05,320
movies like The Little Mermaid and

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01:22:09,390 --> 01:22:07,809
splash back in the eighties and and the

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01:22:11,819 --> 01:22:09,400
idea there was always about living in

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01:22:13,319 --> 01:22:11,829
two worlds like a mermaid is a being

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01:22:16,169 --> 01:22:13,329
that can live in the world of the ocean

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01:22:17,879 --> 01:22:16,179
as well as the world of humans and I

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01:22:20,100 --> 01:22:17,889
thought about it and for me it was a

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01:22:21,750 --> 01:22:20,110
symbol that I could live on the east and

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01:22:24,359 --> 01:22:21,760
the west coast at the same time it was a

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01:22:26,280 --> 01:22:24,369
conformational symbol that I took you

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01:22:28,169 --> 01:22:26,290
know as a as a clue that I should go

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01:22:30,689 --> 01:22:28,179
ahead and take an action in that

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01:22:32,339 --> 01:22:30,699
direction and then over time that became

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01:22:34,379 --> 01:22:32,349
a very powerful symbol for me because a

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01:22:36,629 --> 01:22:34,389
lot of my work and my first book and

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01:22:38,879 --> 01:22:36,639
this book is about bringing Eastern

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01:22:40,620 --> 01:22:38,889
concepts you know into the West and so

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01:22:44,160 --> 01:22:40,630
it's about bridging the gap between them

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01:22:47,160 --> 01:22:44,170
I wanted to ask you before we hit this

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01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:47,170
break when we look at some of you know

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01:22:52,140 --> 01:22:49,210
the successes of their the names that we

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01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:52,150
know I'm a big fan of Larry Ellison I

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01:22:56,640 --> 01:22:54,010
think I you know I don't know what he's

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01:22:58,439 --> 01:22:56,650
like personally but he's got a character

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01:23:00,890 --> 01:22:58,449
about him and then we have you know like

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01:23:06,089 --> 01:23:00,900
you know gates which is like this

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01:23:08,910 --> 01:23:06,099
bookworm nerd guy you have the luckiest

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01:23:11,310 --> 01:23:08,920
man in the world which is Steve Jobs who

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01:23:14,280 --> 01:23:11,320
happened to have you know somebody by

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01:23:16,799 --> 01:23:14,290
his side that new engineering right so

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01:23:19,169 --> 01:23:16,809
Wozniak and then you have like

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01:23:21,359 --> 01:23:19,179
Zuckerberg you know a party or in

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01:23:23,729 --> 01:23:21,369
college that happened to be surrounded

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01:23:26,189 --> 01:23:23,739
with some success you know forward

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01:23:29,399 --> 01:23:26,199
thinking but I don't know with intuition

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01:23:30,330 --> 01:23:29,409
or Zen applies with any of them maybe

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01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:30,340
with Larry

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01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:33,610
Larry's a pretty trippy guy but well I'd

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01:23:35,930 --> 01:23:35,290
suggest that intuition plays a bigger

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01:23:37,879 --> 01:23:35,940
role

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01:23:39,709 --> 01:23:37,889
then you know they may give it credit

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01:23:42,379 --> 01:23:39,719
for and you know it would be nice if

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01:23:44,390 --> 01:23:42,389
there was a book that said do a B and C

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01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:44,400
steps and you will be successful in your

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01:23:48,709 --> 01:23:46,530
startup but the reality is that every

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01:23:50,629 --> 01:23:48,719
startup journey is different and you

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01:23:52,490 --> 01:23:50,639
have to make decisions along the way and

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01:23:53,990 --> 01:23:52,500
you have to follow your gut a lot of

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01:23:56,509 --> 01:23:54,000
times if you talk to very successful

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01:23:59,149 --> 01:23:56,519
people you know they'll hone in on a

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01:24:01,189 --> 01:23:59,159
particular future or a particular path

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01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:01,199
that they want to pursue and you put 10

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01:24:05,390 --> 01:24:03,570
guys in the same situation 9 of them

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01:24:07,700 --> 01:24:05,400
would have gone one way and they choose

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01:24:10,310 --> 01:24:07,710
to go the other way and so what is it

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01:24:11,899 --> 01:24:10,320
that gets them to go the other way and I

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01:24:16,459 --> 01:24:11,909
would suggest that it is in fact you

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01:24:18,220 --> 01:24:16,469
know part of their intuition kind of

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01:24:20,870 --> 01:24:18,230
makes sense I guess with jobs is the

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01:24:23,020 --> 01:24:20,880
intuition that Wozniak was onto

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01:24:25,279 --> 01:24:23,030
something and he could sell it right

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01:24:27,259 --> 01:24:25,289
that's true too you have to look at

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what's in the market and what's go

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01:24:31,790 --> 01:24:28,800
through that if we have time I can a

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01:24:33,979 --> 01:24:31,800
quick story about Steve Jobs that that I

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01:24:36,259 --> 01:24:33,989
tell in the book when he was in school

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01:24:37,580 --> 01:24:36,269
you know he dropped a lot of his classes

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01:24:39,109 --> 01:24:37,590
and he was walking at the edge of campus

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01:24:41,509 --> 01:24:39,119
and he saw a flyer for a calligraphy

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01:24:43,220 --> 01:24:41,519
class and it called out to him for some

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01:24:45,020 --> 01:24:43,230
reason so he ended up taking that

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01:24:47,149 --> 01:24:45,030
calligraphy class and fell in love with

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01:24:50,089 --> 01:24:47,159
this idea of fonts and serif and

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01:24:52,939 --> 01:24:50,099
sans-serif and all this stuff if he

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01:24:55,520 --> 01:24:52,949
hadn't taken that detour in his life you

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01:24:58,759 --> 01:24:55,530
know when he made the Macintosh years

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01:25:01,129 --> 01:24:58,769
later he insisted that there be multiple

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01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:01,139
fonts because of the calligraphy class

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01:25:05,509 --> 01:25:03,570
from years earlier and so that's the

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01:25:08,689 --> 01:25:05,519
case we're following a random intuition

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01:25:10,459 --> 01:25:08,699
actually plays into the pattern of our

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01:25:13,279 --> 01:25:10,469
work in our lives even though it doesn't

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01:25:14,689 --> 01:25:13,289
seem like it at the time so certainly

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01:25:16,819 --> 01:25:14,699
with jobs you know that was a big part

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01:25:18,709 --> 01:25:16,829
of how he navigated you know that's

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01:25:21,049 --> 01:25:18,719
interesting because who knows what serif

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01:25:24,470 --> 01:25:21,059
and sans-serif is or Helvetica or Times

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01:25:26,930 --> 01:25:24,480
Roman and and calligraphy and the beauty

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01:25:29,930 --> 01:25:26,940
of it and the art and kerning and all of

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01:25:32,089 --> 01:25:29,940
that nobody ever paid attention to that

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01:25:35,240 --> 01:25:32,099
and certainly he incorporated that made

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01:25:37,100 --> 01:25:35,250
sure that it was part of Apple yeah

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01:25:38,689 --> 01:25:37,110
that's uh that's and that's what made

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01:25:40,069 --> 01:25:38,699
them different certainly yeah exactly

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01:25:44,479 --> 01:25:40,079
otherwise we might still have green

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01:25:46,759 --> 01:25:44,489
screens with courier font right now and

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01:25:48,860 --> 01:25:46,769
it's very interesting very interesting

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01:25:51,860 --> 01:25:48,870
okay so when we come back we're going

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tinnie this and that we'll get to ufos

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01:25:57,020 --> 01:25:53,910
everybody justjust relax we're gonna

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01:25:58,850 --> 01:25:57,030
make sure that that happens but back to

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01:26:02,530 --> 01:25:58,860
the book because I want to finish up

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01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:02,540
this thought and and continue when

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01:26:09,530 --> 01:26:06,570
somebody wants to name a company name

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01:26:13,010 --> 01:26:09,540
their company that that to me is the

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01:26:15,140 --> 01:26:13,020
make-or-break moment right well it's an

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01:26:17,420 --> 01:26:15,150
interesting moment and you know I have a

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01:26:18,710 --> 01:26:17,430
story in the book about one of my

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01:26:20,660 --> 01:26:18,720
companies when we were trying to figure

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01:26:23,240 --> 01:26:20,670
out what to name it and I happened to be

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01:26:24,890 --> 01:26:23,250
visiting my parents in Michigan and I

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01:26:26,120 --> 01:26:24,900
drove by in Ann Arbor where the

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01:26:27,740 --> 01:26:26,130
University of Michigan University of

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01:26:29,330 --> 01:26:27,750
Michigan is a building that had the name

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01:26:31,400 --> 01:26:29,340
of a company on the side of the building

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01:26:34,640 --> 01:26:31,410
and the name of the company was Arbor

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01:26:35,930 --> 01:26:34,650
text and it just it called jumped out at

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01:26:37,700 --> 01:26:35,940
me we've all had of experiences like

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01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:37,710
this but that's what a clue is it gives

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01:26:41,240 --> 01:26:39,930
you a funny feeling inside and I

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01:26:42,590 --> 01:26:41,250
wondered you know what is this clue

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01:26:44,450 --> 01:26:42,600
trying to tell me then I realized we

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01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:44,460
were trying to name our company these

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01:26:47,900 --> 01:26:45,930
guys name their company after their

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01:26:49,640 --> 01:26:47,910
college town so we ended up naming our

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01:26:51,650 --> 01:26:49,650
company Cambridge documents you know

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01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:51,660
after Cambridge Massachusetts but the

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01:26:55,340 --> 01:26:53,610
clues stuck with me and I said well

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01:26:57,050 --> 01:26:55,350
there's more to this clue than just the

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01:26:59,360 --> 01:26:57,060
naming of the company so I ended up

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01:27:00,770 --> 01:26:59,370
contacting that company visited them to

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01:27:02,930 --> 01:27:00,780
make a long story short they ended up

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01:27:04,910 --> 01:27:02,940
being our biggest customer they got our

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01:27:06,980 --> 01:27:04,920
product into big companies like Toyota

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01:27:09,170 --> 01:27:06,990
and Boeing and so they were a big part

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01:27:11,210 --> 01:27:09,180
of you know our our pact with that

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01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:11,220
company it was all because I had that

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01:27:17,210 --> 01:27:14,010
funny feeling when I saw the name of the

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01:27:18,470 --> 01:27:17,220
company on the side of the building so I

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01:27:21,170 --> 01:27:18,480
think that's an interesting you know

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01:27:23,900 --> 01:27:21,180
what do you like you must watch the show

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01:27:28,190 --> 01:27:23,910
Silicon Valley you know I have watched

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01:27:29,480 --> 01:27:28,200
some of it ok no big deal but what's

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01:27:31,810 --> 01:27:29,490
really funny we're gonna take a break

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right here is the beginning of the show

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01:27:35,750 --> 01:27:33,930
where they have the names of all the

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01:27:38,300 --> 01:27:35,760
companies some of them you know right

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01:27:40,910 --> 01:27:38,310
uber or whatever but the made-up names

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01:27:43,070 --> 01:27:40,920
of the companies are spot on the money

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01:27:45,950 --> 01:27:43,080
and I wonder all the time where they

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01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:45,960
come up with these names like their big

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01:27:54,650 --> 01:27:49,290
company if they're is called hooli now

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right right right right our guest

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tonight R is Burke I'm your host Jimmy

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church this is fade to black

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obvious question one where I I just want

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to know do you hang out with other

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Silicon Valley guys heads of companies

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and professors at MIT do you guys

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actually sit around at some secret

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location and discuss these topics

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you know ufos and zen and consciousness

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01:32:40,170 --> 01:32:38,560
well yeah i would say you know i do have

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01:32:42,440 --> 01:32:40,180
people that i discussed these topics

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01:32:45,060 --> 01:32:42,450
with but they're not always necessarily

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you know the silicon valley heads of

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companies you might know or MIT

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01:32:53,010 --> 01:32:49,930
professors although we did do as part of

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01:32:56,490 --> 01:32:53,020
my program at MIT we did shamanic

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01:32:59,520 --> 01:32:56,500
journey class at the MIT Media Lab which

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01:33:09,060 --> 01:32:59,530
was probably the first time you guys

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01:33:12,840 --> 01:33:09,070
discussed like ayahuasca nobody was

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01:33:15,870 --> 01:33:12,850
popping some DMT at your head your class

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01:33:18,510 --> 01:33:15,880
no it's not part of the curriculum yep

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01:33:20,010 --> 01:33:18,520
it was much simpler than that okay there

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01:33:21,750 --> 01:33:20,020
was different states of consciousness we

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were exploring with education and

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01:33:25,940 --> 01:33:22,720
different types of things

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01:33:30,360 --> 01:33:25,950
do you feel like your singular out there

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01:33:32,580 --> 01:33:30,370
well you know when you discuss it widely

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01:33:34,980 --> 01:33:32,590
I feel that way but then when I talk to

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01:33:36,840 --> 01:33:34,990
individual people you find that you know

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01:33:39,480 --> 01:33:36,850
protecting Silicon Valley you know many

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01:33:41,490 --> 01:33:39,490
many people are open to these ideas they

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have meditation or yoga practices of

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01:33:46,080 --> 01:33:43,510
their own and a lot of these ideas are

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01:33:48,570 --> 01:33:46,090
rooted you know in the ancient yogic

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01:33:50,610 --> 01:33:48,580
traditions so it's very interesting even

2131
01:33:53,010 --> 01:33:50,620
even you know within no place like MIT

2132
01:33:55,110 --> 01:33:53,020
you know people are individually open to

2133
01:33:58,530 --> 01:33:55,120
many different ideas but they're kind of

2134
01:34:00,870 --> 01:33:58,540
limited to what they can discuss you

2135
01:34:02,400 --> 01:34:00,880
know in a respectable academic

2136
01:34:05,700 --> 01:34:02,410
environment let's put it that way you

2137
01:34:07,860 --> 01:34:05,710
know I have a good friend in Boston who

2138
01:34:10,140 --> 01:34:07,870
you know she knows all a lot about these

2139
01:34:11,430 --> 01:34:10,150
topics including UFOs and consciousness

2140
01:34:14,690 --> 01:34:11,440
but she doesn't discuss them with her

2141
01:34:17,310 --> 01:34:14,700
Harvard and MIT colleagues necessarily

2142
01:34:19,110 --> 01:34:17,320
that's have an interesting double you

2143
01:34:24,959 --> 01:34:19,120
know double take if you will will there

2144
01:34:28,320 --> 01:34:24,969
ever be a class at that level of college

2145
01:34:31,440 --> 01:34:28,330
about maybe this subject UFOs in

2146
01:34:33,810 --> 01:34:31,450
particular or alien contact do you think

2147
01:34:35,880 --> 01:34:33,820
it will ever get that they've just done

2148
01:34:37,890 --> 01:34:35,890
it over in Turkey I don't know if you

2149
01:34:40,470 --> 01:34:37,900
saw the press releases on this today I

2150
01:34:43,500 --> 01:34:40,480
did yeah they did an EXO politics class

2151
01:34:44,459 --> 01:34:43,510
yeah that's right right right which is

2152
01:34:45,900 --> 01:34:44,469
great and you know there have been

2153
01:34:48,630 --> 01:34:45,910
universities here in the US that have

2154
01:34:51,720 --> 01:34:48,640
done you know classes on which are about

2155
01:34:53,910 --> 01:34:51,730
the philosophy behind Star Trek episodes

2156
01:34:58,080 --> 01:34:53,920
you know I almost feel like it's easier

2157
01:34:59,940 --> 01:34:58,090
to for academic institutions here to

2158
01:35:01,709 --> 01:34:59,950
kind of start off with a science fiction

2159
01:35:03,870 --> 01:35:01,719
angle because you know there are many

2160
01:35:06,600 --> 01:35:03,880
Star Trek ideas that bring up this idea

2161
01:35:09,750 --> 01:35:06,610
of multiple timelines of different races

2162
01:35:13,140 --> 01:35:09,760
in first contact or you know you get to

2163
01:35:15,090 --> 01:35:13,150
more of the hard science where you know

2164
01:35:18,470 --> 01:35:15,100
even SETI which is here in Mountain View

2165
01:35:22,459 --> 01:35:18,480
right is talking about extraterrestrial

2166
01:35:25,020 --> 01:35:22,469
biology like what would plants and

2167
01:35:27,540 --> 01:35:25,030
beings on other planets you know what

2168
01:35:30,630 --> 01:35:27,550
would they look like biologically so you

2169
01:35:33,030 --> 01:35:30,640
know I think it may take a while unless

2170
01:35:35,580 --> 01:35:33,040
there's a you know dramatic event that

2171
01:35:40,740 --> 01:35:35,590
forces it to the front does it blow your

2172
01:35:42,240 --> 01:35:40,750
mind when you go around that area up

2173
01:35:43,620 --> 01:35:42,250
there you just bench a mountain view and

2174
01:35:45,690 --> 01:35:43,630
I'm just thinking you know of all the

2175
01:35:47,970 --> 01:35:45,700
campuses that are there not schools but

2176
01:35:52,380 --> 01:35:47,980
you know the companies the amount of

2177
01:35:55,170 --> 01:35:52,390
money that is you know is there we

2178
01:35:58,020 --> 01:35:55,180
stayed a couple of years ago we stayed

2179
01:35:59,850 --> 01:35:58,030
on the Oracle campus there at I forget

2180
01:36:03,540 --> 01:35:59,860
the hotel the SLS or whatever that's

2181
01:36:06,390 --> 01:36:03,550
right there Sofitel right right right

2182
01:36:10,800 --> 01:36:06,400
nice hotel right now and you drive

2183
01:36:14,610 --> 01:36:10,810
around that campus and you look it reeks

2184
01:36:16,530 --> 01:36:14,620
of is you know stupid money there's

2185
01:36:18,370 --> 01:36:16,540
money and then you know you get you get

2186
01:36:21,090 --> 01:36:18,380
to that stupid level and

2187
01:36:24,910 --> 01:36:21,100
think you're some software did this

2188
01:36:27,580 --> 01:36:24,920
software built this it blows my mind do

2189
01:36:29,800 --> 01:36:27,590
you ever get used to it you know it's

2190
01:36:32,979 --> 01:36:29,810
it's it's hard to get used to it it is

2191
01:36:34,419 --> 01:36:32,989
there is a lot of money here and in some

2192
01:36:36,760 --> 01:36:34,429
ways I think there's too much of a focus

2193
01:36:40,720 --> 01:36:36,770
on money here right it seems like we've

2194
01:36:43,750 --> 01:36:40,730
lost that core focus on innovation right

2195
01:36:46,330 --> 01:36:43,760
it's a lot of people chasing you know to

2196
01:36:50,350 --> 01:36:46,340
become the next kleiner perkins funded

2197
01:36:51,939 --> 01:36:50,360
company to go be the next IPO you know

2198
01:36:53,649 --> 01:36:51,949
where we're as you know you look at

2199
01:36:54,970 --> 01:36:53,659
companies like alcohol which we talked

2200
01:36:56,680 --> 01:36:54,980
about you know they started in a garage

2201
01:36:59,470 --> 01:36:56,690
right here in Mountain View actually I

2202
01:37:02,500 --> 01:36:59,480
mean or or Silicon Valley became coats

2203
01:37:04,390 --> 01:37:02,510
it it was called Silicon Valley partly

2204
01:37:06,160 --> 01:37:04,400
because of Fairchild Semiconductor which

2205
01:37:07,720 --> 01:37:06,170
was down the road here as well but it

2206
01:37:09,010 --> 01:37:07,730
was more about the innovations in the

2207
01:37:11,080 --> 01:37:09,020
past and I think now it's gotten to be a

2208
01:37:13,360 --> 01:37:11,090
lot about the money and that is a little

2209
01:37:14,800 --> 01:37:13,370
disconcerting you know particularly for

2210
01:37:17,890 --> 01:37:14,810
somebody who's a little more spiritually

2211
01:37:20,649 --> 01:37:17,900
minded like myself where you know I

2212
01:37:23,290 --> 01:37:20,659
think starting a company is as much an

2213
01:37:25,959 --> 01:37:23,300
act of creativity as it is an act of

2214
01:37:28,780 --> 01:37:25,969
Commerce it's about expressing ourselves

2215
01:37:31,180 --> 01:37:28,790
to build something some vision that we

2216
01:37:33,070 --> 01:37:31,190
see that calls out to us in some

2217
01:37:35,020 --> 01:37:33,080
particular future that we're navigating

2218
01:37:36,970 --> 01:37:35,030
towards and I think that gets lost

2219
01:37:39,129 --> 01:37:36,980
sometimes yeah I think some of these

2220
01:37:40,720 --> 01:37:39,139
kids these days you know fresh out of

2221
01:37:42,760 --> 01:37:40,730
college and they're you know they're

2222
01:37:45,820 --> 01:37:42,770
they're writing some good code and some

2223
01:37:48,220 --> 01:37:45,830
good K locks and and their concern is

2224
01:37:51,790 --> 01:37:48,230
you know we're going to a company is not

2225
01:37:55,780 --> 01:37:51,800
necessarily the innovation or the vision

2226
01:37:58,390 --> 01:37:55,790
but it's their package right right it's

2227
01:38:00,430 --> 01:37:58,400
like how much stock in you know am I

2228
01:38:02,439 --> 01:38:00,440
going to get right and let me decide

2229
01:38:04,419 --> 01:38:02,449
after a year if I want to move on to the

2230
01:38:06,610 --> 01:38:04,429
next company because this one may not be

2231
01:38:08,919 --> 01:38:06,620
the next girl so yeah unfortunately

2232
01:38:11,020 --> 01:38:08,929
there's a lot of that and I think you

2233
01:38:12,879 --> 01:38:11,030
know because of that you know some of

2234
01:38:15,310 --> 01:38:12,889
the jokes in Silicon Valley are right on

2235
01:38:16,840 --> 01:38:15,320
you know now I haven't seen all of the

2236
01:38:19,510 --> 01:38:16,850
show but the episodes I've seen you know

2237
01:38:20,390 --> 01:38:19,520
some of them are right there and this is

2238
01:38:23,149 --> 01:38:20,400
where

2239
01:38:26,180 --> 01:38:23,159
I get really interested in Silicon

2240
01:38:28,760 --> 01:38:26,190
Valley as quantum computing and when we

2241
01:38:31,880 --> 01:38:28,770
and I mentioned this to you in an email

2242
01:38:34,340 --> 01:38:31,890
but and and you brought back to be the

2243
01:38:37,790 --> 01:38:34,350
same some of the same ideas in the book

2244
01:38:40,340 --> 01:38:37,800
which is this and it's a very important

2245
01:38:43,360 --> 01:38:40,350
concept that the world needs to wrap

2246
01:38:45,860 --> 01:38:43,370
their head around and the possibility of

2247
01:38:49,010 --> 01:38:45,870
parallel worlds that we're talking about

2248
01:38:52,310 --> 01:38:49,020
either on the shamanic level which in

2249
01:38:54,649 --> 01:38:52,320
consciousness the ability to leave your

2250
01:38:58,130 --> 01:38:54,659
body and visit another world and that

2251
01:39:00,260 --> 01:38:58,140
the the multi worlds theory or parallel

2252
01:39:03,169 --> 01:39:00,270
worlds which in quantum physics and

2253
01:39:06,020 --> 01:39:03,179
quantum theory clearly needs to exist

2254
01:39:09,770 --> 01:39:06,030
for it to exist and quantum computing

2255
01:39:12,620 --> 01:39:09,780
and for qubits to exist and to operate

2256
01:39:17,260 --> 01:39:12,630
correctly now they are affecting another

2257
01:39:20,660 --> 01:39:17,270
qubit that is off location in another

2258
01:39:25,330 --> 01:39:20,670
parallel world right in an infinite

2259
01:39:28,640 --> 01:39:25,340
amount for these very few qubits to work

2260
01:39:32,860 --> 01:39:28,650
like multiple chips in conventional

2261
01:39:36,140 --> 01:39:32,870
computing now you're asking the world to

2262
01:39:39,050 --> 01:39:36,150
believe in impure science-fiction here

2263
01:39:42,439 --> 01:39:39,060
because it has to be that way for it to

2264
01:39:45,979 --> 01:39:42,449
work and that is that's a bizarre part

2265
01:39:51,080 --> 01:39:45,989
to get into because it's not you use the

2266
01:39:53,149 --> 01:39:51,090
words mumbo jumbo right right yeah okay

2267
01:39:55,340 --> 01:39:53,159
it sounds like mumbo jumbo so it sounds

2268
01:39:58,430 --> 01:39:55,350
like mumbo Joe in Star Trek you know

2269
01:40:01,939 --> 01:39:58,440
technobabble yeah technobabble and it

2270
01:40:06,370 --> 01:40:01,949
clearly is not in Silicon Valley and the

2271
01:40:09,350 --> 01:40:06,380
future which is quantum computing has to

2272
01:40:12,590 --> 01:40:09,360
have their feet grounded in mumbo jumbo

2273
01:40:14,180 --> 01:40:12,600
to make these theories work yeah and I

2274
01:40:17,060 --> 01:40:14,190
think quantum computing is a really

2275
01:40:19,520 --> 01:40:17,070
interesting area and I think we're just

2276
01:40:21,620 --> 01:40:19,530
getting started with it and for those

2277
01:40:23,630 --> 01:40:21,630
who aren't familiar with it it was first

2278
01:40:26,330 --> 01:40:23,640
proposed by Richard Feynman the

2279
01:40:29,810 --> 01:40:26,340
physicist and the idea was in regular

2280
01:40:32,180 --> 01:40:29,820
computer science we have bits which are

2281
01:40:34,250 --> 01:40:32,190
zeros or ones in the digital world and

2282
01:40:38,149 --> 01:40:34,260
we assemble a certain number of

2283
01:40:41,390 --> 01:40:38,159
bits you know 64-bit 32 bits for to

2284
01:40:43,450 --> 01:40:41,400
store information and in quantum

2285
01:40:47,240 --> 01:40:43,460
computing we have this idea of qubits

2286
01:40:51,379 --> 01:40:47,250
where the bit is superposed so it's

2287
01:40:54,649 --> 01:40:51,389
neither 0 or 1 or it's you could say

2288
01:40:57,319 --> 01:40:54,659
it's both 0 or 1 so if you have say 8

2289
01:41:00,109 --> 01:40:57,329
bits and you could start to look at all

2290
01:41:02,029 --> 01:41:00,119
the possible values of the zeros or 1

2291
01:41:05,000 --> 01:41:02,039
and you know one interpretation of

2292
01:41:08,299 --> 01:41:05,010
quantum physics is that these all exist

2293
01:41:10,069 --> 01:41:08,309
in different parallel worlds you know if

2294
01:41:12,109 --> 01:41:10,079
you bring it if you look at the the

2295
01:41:14,240 --> 01:41:12,119
subatomic level there's the very famous

2296
01:41:17,899 --> 01:41:14,250
two slit experiment where they shot a

2297
01:41:19,910 --> 01:41:17,909
photon through the slits and sometimes

2298
01:41:21,319 --> 01:41:19,920
it looked like a wave which means it

2299
01:41:23,120 --> 01:41:21,329
went through both slits and other times

2300
01:41:24,680 --> 01:41:23,130
it look like a particle where it just

2301
01:41:27,500 --> 01:41:24,690
would go through one of the slits and

2302
01:41:29,180 --> 01:41:27,510
and the interpretation of that that that

2303
01:41:31,970 --> 01:41:29,190
I think is interesting because it works

2304
01:41:34,100 --> 01:41:31,980
at both the the subatomic the computer

2305
01:41:36,950 --> 01:41:34,110
and at the level of common sense is that

2306
01:41:39,850 --> 01:41:36,960
the wave that you see are all the

2307
01:41:43,069 --> 01:41:39,860
probabilities all the probable worlds

2308
01:41:44,839 --> 01:41:43,079
that could come about and that the

2309
01:41:48,950 --> 01:41:44,849
particle is when you observe a

2310
01:41:50,569 --> 01:41:48,960
particular reality you see the particle

2311
01:41:53,750 --> 01:41:50,579
location they call it collapsing of the

2312
01:41:55,850 --> 01:41:53,760
probability wave into that world and so

2313
01:41:57,439 --> 01:41:55,860
the idea with quantum computing is you

2314
01:41:58,759 --> 01:41:57,449
basically get all these bits in all

2315
01:42:02,029 --> 01:41:58,769
these different worlds and then you

2316
01:42:04,250 --> 01:42:02,039
collapse that by observing you know one

2317
01:42:05,390 --> 01:42:04,260
of the bits to try to find the solution

2318
01:42:07,490 --> 01:42:05,400
to a problem that would be very

2319
01:42:09,799 --> 01:42:07,500
difficult to do with conventional

2320
01:42:11,930 --> 01:42:09,809
computing because it would take a long

2321
01:42:14,299 --> 01:42:11,940
time for the CPUs to go through all of

2322
01:42:16,069 --> 01:42:14,309
the possible values and you know as the

2323
01:42:17,509 --> 01:42:16,079
number of bits increases like with

2324
01:42:21,500 --> 01:42:17,519
Bitcoin for example when you mind

2325
01:42:24,200 --> 01:42:21,510
Bitcoin you have you know 256 bits Plus

2326
01:42:26,750 --> 01:42:24,210
that are being explored and you're

2327
01:42:28,100 --> 01:42:26,760
looking for a particular solution so you

2328
01:42:30,410 --> 01:42:28,110
know I think it's very interesting at

2329
01:42:32,419 --> 01:42:30,420
the computing side but even in in the

2330
01:42:35,479 --> 01:42:32,429
realm of our worlds you know sometimes

2331
01:42:38,330 --> 01:42:35,489
when we get a feeling of deja vu but we

2332
01:42:40,279 --> 01:42:38,340
have what I call a clue you know what

2333
01:42:43,790 --> 01:42:40,289
are we tuning into could it be another

2334
01:42:45,560 --> 01:42:43,800
parallel cells right could it be you

2335
01:42:47,299 --> 01:42:45,570
know a Jimmy Church from another world

2336
01:42:48,020 --> 01:42:47,309
who's maybe not hosting a radio show

2337
01:42:50,840 --> 01:42:48,030
he's doing some

2338
01:42:53,000 --> 01:42:50,850
mm-hmm I remember driving by Stanford

2339
01:42:55,340 --> 01:42:53,010
once and I had this clear vision where I

2340
01:42:57,560 --> 01:42:55,350
saw myself you know teaching a class as

2341
01:42:58,970 --> 01:42:57,570
a professor in academic and you know in

2342
01:43:01,430 --> 01:42:58,980
this life I'm an entrepreneur I make

2343
01:43:03,560 --> 01:43:01,440
video games I spend time at MIT but I

2344
01:43:05,180 --> 01:43:03,570
really didn't follow the narrow academic

2345
01:43:07,250 --> 01:43:05,190
path but I tend to be a lot more

2346
01:43:09,380 --> 01:43:07,260
creative and and it was like a vision

2347
01:43:11,330 --> 01:43:09,390
that just popped in my head and then

2348
01:43:12,500 --> 01:43:11,340
later as I learned about parallel worlds

2349
01:43:14,870 --> 01:43:12,510
I really started to think about that

2350
01:43:16,550 --> 01:43:14,880
could that have been a vision of a

2351
01:43:18,860 --> 01:43:16,560
parallel world where I made different

2352
01:43:21,050 --> 01:43:18,870
choices you know and that ties to this

2353
01:43:24,800 --> 01:43:21,060
concept of the treasure map being the

2354
01:43:26,300 --> 01:43:24,810
set of probable realities that you might

2355
01:43:27,770 --> 01:43:26,310
have in this life if you think of every

2356
01:43:30,110 --> 01:43:27,780
time you make a choice we branch out

2357
01:43:32,360 --> 01:43:30,120
into separate worlds and then sometimes

2358
01:43:33,860 --> 01:43:32,370
those worlds collapse kind of like the

2359
01:43:37,310 --> 01:43:33,870
movie of sliding doors I don't know if

2360
01:43:39,500 --> 01:43:37,320
you ever saw that yes we're in the one

2361
01:43:40,940 --> 01:43:39,510
instance she got off the train and the

2362
01:43:42,740 --> 01:43:40,950
other instance she didn't and you saw

2363
01:43:45,470 --> 01:43:42,750
there were two parallel realities which

2364
01:43:47,450 --> 01:43:45,480
eventually converged and I think that

2365
01:43:49,760 --> 01:43:47,460
sometimes what what may be happening to

2366
01:43:51,320 --> 01:43:49,770
us is we make these choices but there

2367
01:43:53,030 --> 01:43:51,330
are certain places we were meant to end

2368
01:43:55,460 --> 01:43:53,040
up in our lives and there are many

2369
01:43:56,750 --> 01:43:55,470
different paths to get there and I spend

2370
01:43:58,970 --> 01:43:56,760
a whole chapter kind of exploring that

2371
01:44:01,010 --> 01:43:58,980
concept in a treasure hunt well and this

2372
01:44:03,590 --> 01:44:01,020
is this is one of the things that

2373
01:44:06,110 --> 01:44:03,600
happened last year and I've spoken about

2374
01:44:08,300 --> 01:44:06,120
this a lot on the show Riz is the

2375
01:44:10,010 --> 01:44:08,310
company d-wave systems and I'm sure

2376
01:44:14,690 --> 01:44:10,020
you're familiar with d-wave not that big

2377
01:44:18,190 --> 01:44:14,700
of a deal but the the head of II D and D

2378
01:44:21,350 --> 01:44:18,200
you know that guy does this presentation

2379
01:44:22,910 --> 01:44:21,360
and he's got probably it's a big crowd

2380
01:44:24,320 --> 01:44:22,920
you know three four or five thousand

2381
01:44:26,660 --> 01:44:24,330
people is doing this presentation ID

2382
01:44:28,610 --> 01:44:26,670
wave and quantum computing and he

2383
01:44:31,640 --> 01:44:28,620
started the video was fascinating I'm

2384
01:44:34,400 --> 01:44:31,650
not gonna you know drag this out but in

2385
01:44:36,740 --> 01:44:34,410
the video he literally says to the

2386
01:44:39,050 --> 01:44:36,750
audience he goes now look you need to

2387
01:44:44,710 --> 01:44:39,060
understand what I'm telling you from

2388
01:44:48,320 --> 01:44:44,720
here on out is real okay so listen to me

2389
01:44:51,560 --> 01:44:48,330
quantum computing can only run with

2390
01:44:53,330 --> 01:44:51,570
parallel worlds and he says and a

2391
01:44:55,790 --> 01:44:53,340
paraphrasing here to your left into your

2392
01:44:58,970 --> 01:44:55,800
right or infinite parallel worlds that

2393
01:45:01,370 --> 01:44:58,980
go out and exist and our computers the

2394
01:45:05,050 --> 01:45:01,380
d-wave systems use the

2395
01:45:08,630 --> 01:45:05,060
and these cubits sit on a chip and that

2396
01:45:12,170 --> 01:45:08,640
cubit one cubit is interacting with

2397
01:45:15,260 --> 01:45:12,180
another cubit in a parallel world out

2398
01:45:17,300 --> 01:45:15,270
there somewhere right and so and then he

2399
01:45:20,090 --> 01:45:17,310
said now he goes on with you no further

2400
01:45:23,810 --> 01:45:20,100
explanation of this but he says I am

2401
01:45:26,810 --> 01:45:23,820
making a prediction right now that with

2402
01:45:32,860 --> 01:45:26,820
the power of quantum computers we will

2403
01:45:36,380 --> 01:45:32,870
detect alien life on another planet by

2404
01:45:39,140 --> 01:45:36,390
2019 and he said the computing power

2405
01:45:40,970 --> 01:45:39,150
that it takes to do this kind of

2406
01:45:42,650 --> 01:45:40,980
computation you can't do with

2407
01:45:46,100 --> 01:45:42,660
conventional computers it would be a

2408
01:45:48,410 --> 01:45:46,110
room full of computers and we would

2409
01:45:50,810 --> 01:45:48,420
never get it done we can get it done

2410
01:45:53,960 --> 01:45:50,820
with the d-wave systems computers and

2411
01:45:57,520 --> 01:45:53,970
this is how we're gonna do it now he's

2412
01:46:00,410 --> 01:45:57,530
speaking to engineers right

2413
01:46:04,100 --> 01:46:00,420
speaking to a crowd that has never

2414
01:46:07,160 --> 01:46:04,110
watched ancient aliens for example but

2415
01:46:09,320 --> 01:46:07,170
to present the d-wave systems computer

2416
01:46:11,900 --> 01:46:09,330
and its future and how they were dealing

2417
01:46:14,660 --> 01:46:11,910
with it and what it meant and parallel

2418
01:46:16,940 --> 01:46:14,670
worlds was a fascinating conversation

2419
01:46:20,920 --> 01:46:16,950
and now I have to step back and say to

2420
01:46:23,870 --> 01:46:20,930
myself if d-wave continues on this path

2421
01:46:26,030 --> 01:46:23,880
then they prove parallel worlds which

2422
01:46:28,880 --> 01:46:26,040
they have to exist in order for d-wave

2423
01:46:31,330 --> 01:46:28,890
to exist now do you see that the chain

2424
01:46:35,920 --> 01:46:31,340
of events here that I'm referring to

2425
01:46:38,600 --> 01:46:35,930
suddenly your Shaymin talk right or

2426
01:46:43,490 --> 01:46:38,610
anything else that we have talked about

2427
01:46:47,150 --> 01:46:43,500
tonight is real yeah absolutely i mean i

2428
01:46:49,190 --> 01:46:47,160
think parallel worlds is a theory that

2429
01:46:51,350 --> 01:46:49,200
within mainstream science is gaining

2430
01:46:53,210 --> 01:46:51,360
more and more acceptance it's it's one

2431
01:46:54,560 --> 01:46:53,220
interpretation of quantum physics but

2432
01:46:56,390 --> 01:46:54,570
it's you know one of the few

2433
01:46:58,820 --> 01:46:56,400
interpretations that make sense when you

2434
01:47:00,650 --> 01:46:58,830
look at the equations and i think that's

2435
01:47:02,360 --> 01:47:00,660
you know really mind-blowing when you

2436
01:47:03,950 --> 01:47:02,370
really think about the possibilities and

2437
01:47:06,560 --> 01:47:03,960
it means that there are multiple

2438
01:47:08,900 --> 01:47:06,570
versions of us you know in different

2439
01:47:11,720 --> 01:47:08,910
timelines right I mean there may have

2440
01:47:13,790 --> 01:47:11,730
been a timeline where you know the

2441
01:47:14,360 --> 01:47:13,800
Allies didn't win world war two right I

2442
01:47:16,640 --> 01:47:14,370
know there

2443
01:47:18,890 --> 01:47:16,650
talk of that and then there's this idea

2444
01:47:20,510 --> 01:47:18,900
of merging timelines as well I mean if

2445
01:47:22,220 --> 01:47:20,520
you can communicate between parallel

2446
01:47:24,740 --> 01:47:22,230
worlds the real trick with quantum

2447
01:47:27,410 --> 01:47:24,750
computing is not just this idea that

2448
01:47:30,200 --> 01:47:27,420
there are these qubits which is kind of

2449
01:47:32,060 --> 01:47:30,210
core to the whole idea but to do

2450
01:47:34,760 --> 01:47:32,070
something with a condom computer you

2451
01:47:36,680 --> 01:47:34,770
have to figure out you know how to get

2452
01:47:39,590 --> 01:47:36,690
the solution because the solutions out

2453
01:47:42,620 --> 01:47:39,600
there you know and I think that's true

2454
01:47:44,810 --> 01:47:42,630
in in any problem in life the solution

2455
01:47:46,640 --> 01:47:44,820
there may be another version of us that

2456
01:47:49,640 --> 01:47:46,650
has already solved that problem and if

2457
01:47:51,860 --> 01:47:49,650
we can find a way to connect to that

2458
01:47:54,140 --> 01:47:51,870
other version of ourselves or to a

2459
01:47:56,030 --> 01:47:54,150
future version of ourselves we can then

2460
01:47:58,280 --> 01:47:56,040
get that information and bring it back

2461
01:47:59,210 --> 01:47:58,290
you know into this reality and we still

2462
01:48:00,710 --> 01:47:59,220
have to do the work

2463
01:48:02,870 --> 01:48:00,720
I mean even when you look at whether

2464
01:48:04,940 --> 01:48:02,880
it's shamans or scientists like Einstein

2465
01:48:06,740 --> 01:48:04,950
who had the famous experiment of being

2466
01:48:08,630 --> 01:48:06,750
on a light beam it still took in many

2467
01:48:10,100 --> 01:48:08,640
years to come up with the theory of

2468
01:48:12,320 --> 01:48:10,110
relativity because he had to prove it

2469
01:48:14,270 --> 01:48:12,330
mathematically or Mendeleev you know

2470
01:48:16,850 --> 01:48:14,280
Mendeleev saw all the elements in a

2471
01:48:19,220 --> 01:48:16,860
dream when he was dozing by a fireplace

2472
01:48:20,390 --> 01:48:19,230
and on the Black Sea but when he woke up

2473
01:48:22,040 --> 01:48:20,400
he knew he had a solution but he still

2474
01:48:23,930 --> 01:48:22,050
had to do the work of bringing that into

2475
01:48:25,100 --> 01:48:23,940
into this reality and that sometimes

2476
01:48:26,570 --> 01:48:25,110
that's the hard part of quantum

2477
01:48:29,150 --> 01:48:26,580
computing is figuring out how to bring

2478
01:48:31,220 --> 01:48:29,160
that solution down to into this reality

2479
01:48:33,530 --> 01:48:31,230
but but I agree it's pretty mind-blowing

2480
01:48:35,990 --> 01:48:33,540
and and you know could lead to all kinds

2481
01:48:37,430 --> 01:48:36,000
of interesting advances and whether

2482
01:48:40,130 --> 01:48:37,440
you're talking about aliens or parallel

2483
01:48:41,270 --> 01:48:40,140
worlds or interdimensional objects right

2484
01:48:43,060 --> 01:48:41,280
I mean there's a lot of people who

2485
01:48:45,170 --> 01:48:43,070
believe UFOs may not be

2486
01:48:47,270 --> 01:48:45,180
extraterrestrials but extra dimensions

2487
01:48:48,500 --> 01:48:47,280
and how do you can you create technology

2488
01:48:51,320 --> 01:48:48,510
that could break through and go to

2489
01:48:53,510 --> 01:48:51,330
parallel worlds well if this if this if

2490
01:48:58,250 --> 01:48:53,520
we continue on this path and it's going

2491
01:49:00,290 --> 01:48:58,260
to continue and this opens up to you

2492
01:49:03,350 --> 01:49:00,300
know scientific white papers and this is

2493
01:49:07,220 --> 01:49:03,360
now the future of the hardware and the

2494
01:49:10,820 --> 01:49:07,230
manufacturing side of of computing what

2495
01:49:13,430 --> 01:49:10,830
does this do with religion what does

2496
01:49:16,850 --> 01:49:13,440
this do justice do with the very

2497
01:49:19,610 --> 01:49:16,860
foundation of nearly the entire planet

2498
01:49:22,490 --> 01:49:19,620
that have a belief system that is going

2499
01:49:26,240 --> 01:49:22,500
completely against this or is there a

2500
01:49:29,910 --> 01:49:26,250
way to merge the two and not have Panama

2501
01:49:33,720 --> 01:49:29,920
well you know I think thus far in the

2502
01:49:35,910 --> 01:49:33,730
mainstream they haven't really gotten to

2503
01:49:37,860 --> 01:49:35,920
the point of absorbing this information

2504
01:49:39,080 --> 01:49:37,870
you know to a certain extent I think

2505
01:49:42,060 --> 01:49:39,090
like with the theory of relativity

2506
01:49:43,650 --> 01:49:42,070
people understand that idea time flows

2507
01:49:46,320 --> 01:49:43,660
differently when you travel really fast

2508
01:49:48,870 --> 01:49:46,330
and and that idea has gone from being a

2509
01:49:50,670 --> 01:49:48,880
mathematical paper to a concept that we

2510
01:49:52,500 --> 01:49:50,680
can all talk about I think parallel

2511
01:49:55,170 --> 01:49:52,510
worlds idea is something that has not

2512
01:49:59,100 --> 01:49:55,180
gotten there and I think it would be

2513
01:50:01,260 --> 01:49:59,110
resisted by a lot of people and and and

2514
01:50:03,240 --> 01:50:01,270
so I think you know we were in front for

2515
01:50:05,040 --> 01:50:03,250
a challenge there when we realized that

2516
01:50:08,820 --> 01:50:05,050
there there could be other versions of

2517
01:50:11,160 --> 01:50:08,830
ourselves doing different things and and

2518
01:50:13,260 --> 01:50:11,170
that's what let's go back to that idea

2519
01:50:15,900 --> 01:50:13,270
we talked about earlier where is this

2520
01:50:18,240 --> 01:50:15,910
simulation right and then the question

2521
01:50:21,210 --> 01:50:18,250
is do those other worlds actually exist

2522
01:50:22,230 --> 01:50:21,220
or are they probabilities so again I'm a

2523
01:50:25,050 --> 01:50:22,240
video game designer

2524
01:50:27,510 --> 01:50:25,060
I would lay out lots of probabilities

2525
01:50:30,300 --> 01:50:27,520
and paths that you might follow they're

2526
01:50:34,110 --> 01:50:30,310
all there somehow but maybe you can only

2527
01:50:35,790 --> 01:50:34,120
perceive one of them at a time but this

2528
01:50:38,430 --> 01:50:35,800
is where I think some of the the

2529
01:50:39,420 --> 01:50:38,440
technology you know particularly as you

2530
01:50:43,260 --> 01:50:39,430
start talking with a consciousness

2531
01:50:45,750 --> 01:50:43,270
technology around I mean there's the

2532
01:50:48,030 --> 01:50:45,760
antigravity component of UFOs but

2533
01:50:50,160 --> 01:50:48,040
there's also this idea of being able to

2534
01:50:52,830 --> 01:50:50,170
control where you go in time and space

2535
01:50:55,830 --> 01:50:52,840
using consciousness you know that

2536
01:50:58,500 --> 01:50:55,840
becomes a very interesting discussion

2537
01:50:59,760 --> 01:50:58,510
about what is the timeline that we're on

2538
01:51:01,380 --> 01:50:59,770
it kind of reminds me of a Star Trek

2539
01:51:03,180 --> 01:51:01,390
episode I don't know if you ever saw

2540
01:51:05,700 --> 01:51:03,190
this episode of the next generation

2541
01:51:08,670 --> 01:51:05,710
where they end up saving an old

2542
01:51:11,580 --> 01:51:08,680
Enterprise from the Klingons like it was

2543
01:51:13,470 --> 01:51:11,590
an enterprise from that came forward in

2544
01:51:15,930 --> 01:51:13,480
time that was supposed to be destroyed

2545
01:51:17,730 --> 01:51:15,940
but they end up saving it and it goes

2546
01:51:20,040 --> 01:51:17,740
back and suddenly the whole timeline is

2547
01:51:22,080 --> 01:51:20,050
different now the enterprise is at war

2548
01:51:24,630 --> 01:51:22,090
with the Klingons the war never ended

2549
01:51:27,060 --> 01:51:24,640
and and everybody thinks that this

2550
01:51:29,190 --> 01:51:27,070
timeline is the real timeline but

2551
01:51:31,830 --> 01:51:29,200
there's one alien on board Guinan played

2552
01:51:33,690 --> 01:51:31,840
by Whoopi Goldberg in her mind she

2553
01:51:35,040 --> 01:51:33,700
recognizes that something's wrong that

2554
01:51:36,840 --> 01:51:35,050
they're not in the right timeline

2555
01:51:39,240 --> 01:51:36,850
they're in like a parallel timeline and

2556
01:51:41,310 --> 01:51:39,250
she convinces Picard and others

2557
01:51:42,750 --> 01:51:41,320
that they need to let that enterprise go

2558
01:51:44,550 --> 01:51:42,760
back in time and get destroyed by the

2559
01:51:47,070 --> 01:51:44,560
Klingons because that's what ended the

2560
01:51:49,830 --> 01:51:47,080
war but it's this idea that our minds

2561
01:51:51,660 --> 01:51:49,840
are the key to being able to sense these

2562
01:51:53,580 --> 01:51:51,670
parallel worlds and I think there's a

2563
01:51:57,120 --> 01:51:53,590
lot more to those Star Trek episodes

2564
01:51:59,790 --> 01:51:57,130
then that we might think no lie I am

2565
01:52:02,460 --> 01:51:59,800
fascinated with this thought you go to

2566
01:52:03,990 --> 01:52:02,470
Fry's right you go to Fry's and you just

2567
01:52:05,910 --> 01:52:04,000
kind of kick him back in the computer

2568
01:52:10,020 --> 01:52:05,920
sex you know and you're listening to the

2569
01:52:12,120 --> 01:52:10,030
salesman talk to a set of parents buying

2570
01:52:15,390 --> 01:52:12,130
a computer for the kid going to college

2571
01:52:18,860 --> 01:52:15,400
and he says we'll see this one this one

2572
01:52:26,000 --> 01:52:18,870
operates in parallel worlds see and so

2573
01:52:29,010 --> 01:52:26,010
right that conversation is very close to

2574
01:52:32,130 --> 01:52:29,020
happening and what a great place it'll

2575
01:52:34,500 --> 01:52:32,140
be when it does but I mean it's it's

2576
01:52:37,050 --> 01:52:34,510
right there we're years away from having

2577
01:52:39,450 --> 01:52:37,060
it at a consumer level but it's gonna

2578
01:52:40,800 --> 01:52:39,460
get there d-wave which you mentioned is

2579
01:52:42,930 --> 01:52:40,810
one of the first companies to come out

2580
01:52:45,150 --> 01:52:42,940
with a quantum computer and I think it

2581
01:52:47,520 --> 01:52:45,160
cost like a million dollars to have the

2582
01:52:49,440 --> 01:52:47,530
computer but you know iBM has these five

2583
01:52:51,840 --> 01:52:49,450
cubits and so other people are

2584
01:52:54,420 --> 01:52:51,850
experimenting with it and it's gonna

2585
01:52:57,390 --> 01:52:54,430
revolutionize computing because you have

2586
01:53:00,090 --> 01:52:57,400
to do computing differently I mean if

2587
01:53:02,580 --> 01:53:00,100
you think of all of software today right

2588
01:53:05,670 --> 01:53:02,590
we're I'm on skype on my computer right

2589
01:53:08,460 --> 01:53:05,680
it really comes down to this idea that

2590
01:53:09,780 --> 01:53:08,470
zeros and ones are stored and actually I

2591
01:53:11,700 --> 01:53:09,790
was surprised when I was at MIT and I

2592
01:53:13,230 --> 01:53:11,710
learned how how that actually works they

2593
01:53:15,210 --> 01:53:13,240
basically look at the voltage and they

2594
01:53:17,280 --> 01:53:15,220
say if it's between zero and three volts

2595
01:53:19,230 --> 01:53:17,290
it's a zero if it's between seven and

2596
01:53:20,970 --> 01:53:19,240
ten volts then it's a one like that's

2597
01:53:22,500 --> 01:53:20,980
how they're storing it well

2598
01:53:24,960 --> 01:53:22,510
theoretically if you use that approach

2599
01:53:26,700 --> 01:53:24,970
there could be any number of values it

2600
01:53:28,710 --> 01:53:26,710
doesn't have to be just a zero or one if

2601
01:53:30,990 --> 01:53:28,720
you're just kind of taking the rolls now

2602
01:53:32,790 --> 01:53:31,000
you get in the world of qubits and you

2603
01:53:36,000 --> 01:53:32,800
get into this idea that this bit can be

2604
01:53:37,920 --> 01:53:36,010
either 0 or 1 well that's our computer

2605
01:53:40,260 --> 01:53:37,930
science but the fact is it could be

2606
01:53:42,330 --> 01:53:40,270
infinite number of values if we're

2607
01:53:44,400 --> 01:53:42,340
talking about parallel world and so that

2608
01:53:47,040 --> 01:53:44,410
gets into a whole new schema for

2609
01:53:50,010 --> 01:53:47,050
computing and and I think it'll be you

2610
01:53:52,290 --> 01:53:50,020
know a challenge even to to reconcile

2611
01:53:52,919 --> 01:53:52,300
that view of computers with the types of

2612
01:53:54,660 --> 01:53:52,929
computers

2613
01:53:56,069 --> 01:53:54,670
we have today in the type of computer

2614
01:53:58,739 --> 01:53:56,079
science that I learned in school

2615
01:54:00,959 --> 01:53:58,749
now what about we've got five minutes

2616
01:54:04,770 --> 01:54:00,969
before the break four minutes what about

2617
01:54:09,270 --> 01:54:04,780
this idea of interaction with parallel

2618
01:54:12,149 --> 01:54:09,280
worlds and and the Mandela effect could

2619
01:54:16,229 --> 01:54:12,159
the Mandela effect be real and that is

2620
01:54:18,830 --> 01:54:16,239
what is going on well now we're getting

2621
01:54:23,520 --> 01:54:18,840
into some interesting speculation right

2622
01:54:26,850 --> 01:54:23,530
it could very much be real I mean we've

2623
01:54:30,810 --> 01:54:26,860
all heard stories of kind of these time

2624
01:54:33,629 --> 01:54:30,820
slips right and it could be that there

2625
01:54:35,279 --> 01:54:33,639
were multiple timelines that have

2626
01:54:37,229 --> 01:54:35,289
converged there's a great quote about

2627
01:54:38,850 --> 01:54:37,239
dreams and you know I spend a lot of

2628
01:54:41,069 --> 01:54:38,860
time in both my books talking about the

2629
01:54:43,620 --> 01:54:41,079
dream world because we have what are our

2630
01:54:45,959 --> 01:54:43,630
personal dreams with what the Tibetans

2631
01:54:47,669 --> 01:54:45,969
might call karmic dreams and then there

2632
01:54:50,580 --> 01:54:47,679
are clear dreams where we're actually

2633
01:54:52,199 --> 01:54:50,590
perceiving reality that exists beyond

2634
01:54:53,699 --> 01:54:52,209
just what we're creating in our minds

2635
01:54:55,709 --> 01:54:53,709
every night and there's a hatch or a

2636
01:54:59,009 --> 01:54:55,719
door right between the two and lucid

2637
01:55:02,879 --> 01:54:59,019
dreaming is that hatch or door right and

2638
01:55:04,799 --> 01:55:02,889
so you know we're now we're basically

2639
01:55:07,890 --> 01:55:04,809
merging those and a great quote about

2640
01:55:10,080 --> 01:55:07,900
dreams is dreams seem real when we're in

2641
01:55:12,859 --> 01:55:10,090
them you know can we say more of life

2642
01:55:16,500 --> 01:55:12,869
and so this timeline feels real to us

2643
01:55:18,179 --> 01:55:16,510
but you know this this may even be you

2644
01:55:20,699 --> 01:55:18,189
know some of the dangers of some of the

2645
01:55:23,250 --> 01:55:20,709
quantum technology as we start to mess

2646
01:55:25,379 --> 01:55:23,260
with different parallel realities is it

2647
01:55:27,359 --> 01:55:25,389
possible that that could be used to go

2648
01:55:28,890 --> 01:55:27,369
back and actually change the timeline or

2649
01:55:31,890 --> 01:55:28,900
not going to say change it but shift us

2650
01:55:34,620 --> 01:55:31,900
to a completely different timeline and

2651
01:55:36,660 --> 01:55:34,630
and that's a very interesting area and

2652
01:55:38,819 --> 01:55:36,670
potentially a dangerous area when once

2653
01:55:41,819 --> 01:55:38,829
we get beyond you know using qubits to

2654
01:55:43,379 --> 01:55:41,829
solve computational problems you know

2655
01:55:47,699 --> 01:55:43,389
what we're talking about actually

2656
01:55:51,660 --> 01:55:47,709
affecting our reality and so have you

2657
01:55:53,219 --> 01:55:51,670
had an example of the Mandela effect for

2658
01:55:56,419 --> 01:55:53,229
even you where you step back and go oh I

2659
01:55:58,500 --> 01:55:56,429
guess there's something going on here

2660
01:56:00,929 --> 01:55:58,510
well you know I can't think of a

2661
01:56:02,310 --> 01:56:00,939
specific example but again I bring it

2662
01:56:05,380 --> 01:56:02,320
back to dreams where sometimes in a

2663
01:56:08,560 --> 01:56:05,390
dream I we will know someone

2664
01:56:11,290 --> 01:56:08,570
that's very familiar to us right but in

2665
01:56:14,050 --> 01:56:11,300
waking life we don't know them and so

2666
01:56:15,700 --> 01:56:14,060
was that just a fictional thing that was

2667
01:56:19,720 --> 01:56:15,710
created in our heads in the dreams or

2668
01:56:22,060 --> 01:56:19,730
was it an actual parallel life where we

2669
01:56:23,890 --> 01:56:22,070
actually did know that person right and

2670
01:56:28,000 --> 01:56:23,900
so I've had tons of experiences like

2671
01:56:31,630 --> 01:56:28,010
that where I'll find beings and in my

2672
01:56:32,920 --> 01:56:31,640
dream escapes where I know them and I

2673
01:56:36,970 --> 01:56:32,930
know they're from potentially a very

2674
01:56:38,590 --> 01:56:36,980
different world than we're from here so

2675
01:56:40,930 --> 01:56:38,600
so I tend to have more those types of

2676
01:56:42,640 --> 01:56:40,940
experiences I think do you think we're

2677
01:56:44,650 --> 01:56:42,650
gonna take a break here so we have 45

2678
01:56:46,990 --> 01:56:44,660
seconds I'll make the question quick do

2679
01:56:50,170 --> 01:56:47,000
you think the possibility of quantum

2680
01:56:52,260 --> 01:56:50,180
computing or other interruptions out

2681
01:56:55,180 --> 01:56:52,270
there you know like you know CERN

2682
01:56:58,600 --> 01:56:55,190
quantum computing and affecting things

2683
01:57:02,080 --> 01:56:58,610
around us can create synchronicities for

2684
01:57:03,700 --> 01:57:02,090
us and that may be what's happening well

2685
01:57:06,280 --> 01:57:03,710
it's possible you know as I said earlier

2686
01:57:08,530 --> 01:57:06,290
I view synchronicities as like a glitch

2687
01:57:10,210 --> 01:57:08,540
in the quantum matrix right right you

2688
01:57:12,520 --> 01:57:10,220
know we're catching a glimpse of

2689
01:57:15,970 --> 01:57:12,530
something which is from either a future

2690
01:57:17,470 --> 01:57:15,980
time or a parallel time and so if that's

2691
01:57:19,510 --> 01:57:17,480
possible then it's certainly possible

2692
01:57:22,480 --> 01:57:19,520
that as we start to mess around with

2693
01:57:23,590 --> 01:57:22,490
subatomic particles like they did like

2694
01:57:26,110 --> 01:57:23,600
they've been doing at CERN in other

2695
01:57:27,610 --> 01:57:26,120
places that it could actually affect

2696
01:57:28,870 --> 01:57:27,620
reality even there's a lot of

2697
01:57:32,830 --> 01:57:28,880
interesting science fiction that's been

2698
01:57:35,530 --> 01:57:32,840
written about that you know where where

2699
01:57:36,910 --> 01:57:35,540
they end up seeing into the future and

2700
01:57:38,260 --> 01:57:36,920
what they're doing you know six months

2701
01:57:40,480 --> 01:57:38,270
for now I forget the name of the book

2702
01:57:43,000 --> 01:57:40,490
but if they made it into a TV show a few

2703
01:57:46,810 --> 01:57:43,010
years ago as well well that's exactly

2704
01:57:50,560 --> 01:57:46,820
what I trip on CERN you know started

2705
01:57:55,690 --> 01:57:50,570
getting serious in 2010 Mandella fact in

2706
01:57:57,790 --> 01:57:55,700
full effect right it could be that you

2707
01:57:58,930 --> 01:57:57,800
know certainly but as we move forward I

2708
01:58:00,790 --> 01:57:58,940
think there could be even bigger

2709
01:58:03,100 --> 01:58:00,800
disruptions and so this gets into a

2710
01:58:05,350 --> 01:58:03,110
whole nother theory that we yeah we will

2711
01:58:07,150 --> 01:58:05,360
we will and we'll talk some UFOs right

2712
01:58:08,230 --> 01:58:07,160
after the break this is fade to black

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our guest tonight

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Riz burke his new book treasure hunt

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02:02:16,140 --> 02:02:14,069
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I'm your host Amy Church our guest

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tonight R is Burke and before we get

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talked about gueros on this show a lot

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over the years and as it turns out

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there you go next they say that they're

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gonna be sending us some food in the

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mail on dry ice and I can't wait for

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that Thank You gueros all right now vis

2804
02:03:24,390 --> 02:03:21,880
let's let's answer some of the questions

2805
02:03:27,839 --> 02:03:24,400
here in Twitter and you're probably

2806
02:03:32,370 --> 02:03:27,849
watching this stuff fly by but I'll

2807
02:03:38,279 --> 02:03:32,380
catch this one has Riz ever had a UFO

2808
02:03:40,199 --> 02:03:38,289
experience I saw that one coming by well

2809
02:03:41,520 --> 02:03:40,209
so you know as you mentioned at the

2810
02:03:44,310 --> 02:03:41,530
beginning of this shows an executive

2811
02:03:45,899 --> 02:03:44,320
producer on thrive which was put

2812
02:03:47,609 --> 02:03:45,909
together by Foster and Kimberly gamble

2813
02:03:50,219 --> 02:03:47,619
and they go a little bit into UFOs as

2814
02:03:52,589 --> 02:03:50,229
well as Sirius which is about dr. Steven

2815
02:03:55,049 --> 02:03:52,599
Greer they talk a lot about UFO so

2816
02:03:57,390 --> 02:03:55,059
because of those experiences I've met a

2817
02:04:00,299 --> 02:03:57,400
lot of people that have had UFO

2818
02:04:02,009 --> 02:04:00,309
experiences particularly you know I

2819
02:04:03,679 --> 02:04:02,019
lived in Phoenix for a little while and

2820
02:04:06,839 --> 02:04:03,689
I met a lot of people that were there

2821
02:04:09,330 --> 02:04:06,849
during the Phoenix lights incident back

2822
02:04:11,669 --> 02:04:09,340
in 1997 and when you talk to these

2823
02:04:13,529 --> 02:04:11,679
people you know it wasn't just some

2824
02:04:16,199 --> 02:04:13,539
flares or lights they looked up and they

2825
02:04:18,810 --> 02:04:16,209
saw an actual craft the Stars dimmed as

2826
02:04:20,819 --> 02:04:18,820
it went over them and so it so I've met

2827
02:04:22,859 --> 02:04:20,829
a lot of people you know that that have

2828
02:04:23,530 --> 02:04:22,869
had UFO experiences an investigator did

2829
02:04:25,540 --> 02:04:23,540
a bit

2830
02:04:27,070 --> 02:04:25,550
in terms of myself it depends how you

2831
02:04:29,410 --> 02:04:27,080
define it if you define it as seeing an

2832
02:04:32,170 --> 02:04:29,420
unidentified light in the sky sure I've

2833
02:04:34,330 --> 02:04:32,180
seen stuff like that including things

2834
02:04:36,640 --> 02:04:34,340
that would hover for a while and then

2835
02:04:39,220 --> 02:04:36,650
shoot off like a shooting star but I

2836
02:04:41,110 --> 02:04:39,230
have no idea what that was so I've had

2837
02:04:42,400 --> 02:04:41,120
some experiences like that but but not

2838
02:04:47,050 --> 02:04:42,410
when you get to actually seeing our

2839
02:04:49,870 --> 02:04:47,060
craft or anything like that so with like

2840
02:04:52,960 --> 02:04:49,880
serious degree or take you out for a

2841
02:04:55,060 --> 02:04:52,970
ce-5 session he did take some of the

2842
02:04:56,530 --> 02:04:55,070
some of the team out I actually didn't

2843
02:04:59,020 --> 02:04:56,540
make it to that one so one of these days

2844
02:05:01,150 --> 02:04:59,030
uh you know hopefully we'll do that with

2845
02:05:03,220 --> 02:05:01,160
dr. gray well we'll take you out one

2846
02:05:07,510 --> 02:05:03,230
night we'll definitely do that and you

2847
02:05:10,420 --> 02:05:07,520
should go through the experiences that

2848
02:05:12,190 --> 02:05:10,430
we have like ISA D ranch you know up in

2849
02:05:14,320 --> 02:05:12,200
Washington I'm sure you've heard us yeah

2850
02:05:16,660 --> 02:05:14,330
I've actually been there yeah okay well

2851
02:05:19,390 --> 02:05:16,670
you know there is there are some places

2852
02:05:22,450 --> 02:05:19,400
like Joshua Tree down here in California

2853
02:05:24,220 --> 02:05:22,460
and of course Sedona and II said II I

2854
02:05:28,240 --> 02:05:24,230
don't know what's going on at these

2855
02:05:31,690 --> 02:05:28,250
places but I have gone out you know with

2856
02:05:36,130 --> 02:05:31,700
hundreds of people in groups and seeing

2857
02:05:37,930 --> 02:05:36,140
these things happen and I can't like

2858
02:05:40,690 --> 02:05:37,940
he's you know you don't know what you

2859
02:05:43,270 --> 02:05:40,700
know if it's et necessarily or some

2860
02:05:45,640 --> 02:05:43,280
crazy technology of our own but

2861
02:05:48,760 --> 02:05:45,650
nonetheless it's not an a conventional

2862
02:05:51,340 --> 02:05:48,770
aircraft or anything like that and I

2863
02:05:54,490 --> 02:05:51,350
can't explain this stuff away when you

2864
02:05:56,470 --> 02:05:54,500
saw something hover and then dash off I

2865
02:05:59,070 --> 02:05:56,480
mean what do you say to yourself at that

2866
02:06:02,530 --> 02:05:59,080
moment how do you how do you how do you

2867
02:06:05,080 --> 02:06:02,540
reconcile that in your own mind yeah

2868
02:06:07,210 --> 02:06:05,090
well you know as I said I'm an engineer

2869
02:06:10,990 --> 02:06:07,220
so in my mind goes to how did they do

2870
02:06:12,220 --> 02:06:11,000
that what is the technology that could

2871
02:06:14,890 --> 02:06:12,230
allow something like that because

2872
02:06:17,620 --> 02:06:14,900
clearly conventional planes can't do

2873
02:06:20,410 --> 02:06:17,630
that you know and and I think you know

2874
02:06:22,780 --> 02:06:20,420
too much time is spent in the mainstream

2875
02:06:25,240 --> 02:06:22,790
media when they talk about UFOs you know

2876
02:06:27,100 --> 02:06:25,250
saying do UFOs exist but that's

2877
02:06:28,660 --> 02:06:27,110
obviously not the interesting question

2878
02:06:30,850 --> 02:06:28,670
the interesting question is you know

2879
02:06:33,040 --> 02:06:30,860
what are they are the secret government

2880
02:06:35,500 --> 02:06:33,050
projects are they extraterrestrial craft

2881
02:06:37,180 --> 02:06:35,510
are the interdimensional craft that have

2882
02:06:39,370 --> 02:06:37,190
found a way to break through

2883
02:06:41,530 --> 02:06:39,380
I mean I've talked to people who tell

2884
02:06:43,810 --> 02:06:41,540
stories of you know at Joshua Tree for

2885
02:06:46,479 --> 02:06:43,820
example of looking up in the sky there's

2886
02:06:49,209 --> 02:06:46,489
nothing in the sky and slowly they see a

2887
02:06:51,250 --> 02:06:49,219
craft fade in well that sounds a lot

2888
02:06:51,729 --> 02:06:51,260
like cloaking technology from Star Trek

2889
02:06:54,130 --> 02:06:51,739
right

2890
02:06:55,990 --> 02:06:54,140
it's uncloaking or or did it just burst

2891
02:06:58,150 --> 02:06:56,000
through from a parallel quantum world

2892
02:07:00,070 --> 02:06:58,160
you know I don't can't say that I have

2893
02:07:02,200 --> 02:07:00,080
the answers but I'm very fascinated by

2894
02:07:04,689 --> 02:07:02,210
the questions that I'm fascinated by the

2895
02:07:05,979 --> 02:07:04,699
technology and I'm actually hoping that

2896
02:07:07,479 --> 02:07:05,989
you know with this real-life Treasure

2897
02:07:09,760 --> 02:07:07,489
Island I've met people that have been

2898
02:07:13,689 --> 02:07:09,770
trying to put together prototypes of

2899
02:07:15,490 --> 02:07:13,699
what drives these craft you know I've

2900
02:07:18,280 --> 02:07:15,500
talked a few people who have been trying

2901
02:07:21,189 --> 02:07:18,290
to reproduce the Hamel motor which was

2902
02:07:22,840 --> 02:07:21,199
based upon a gentleman up in Canada who

2903
02:07:24,610 --> 02:07:22,850
had some really strange experiences and

2904
02:07:26,830 --> 02:07:24,620
he created this magnetic motor that's

2905
02:07:29,680 --> 02:07:26,840
supposedly shot up and broke through his

2906
02:07:30,939 --> 02:07:29,690
garage and went up into the sky and and

2907
02:07:35,050 --> 02:07:30,949
I've met people you know trying to

2908
02:07:38,709 --> 02:07:35,060
create replicas of ODIs cars you know

2909
02:07:40,810 --> 02:07:38,719
who's a work with Tesla for a while and

2910
02:07:42,160 --> 02:07:40,820
supposedly learned some things and so

2911
02:07:45,100 --> 02:07:42,170
I'm hoping that you know some of this

2912
02:07:48,640 --> 02:07:45,110
will surface and that's an interesting

2913
02:07:51,430 --> 02:07:48,650
question for me because if this stuff is

2914
02:07:53,380 --> 02:07:51,440
there and it reacts that way there has

2915
02:07:55,750 --> 02:07:53,390
to be some kind of a science behind it

2916
02:07:57,939 --> 02:07:55,760
it's just not our conventional science

2917
02:08:00,459 --> 02:07:57,949
and so our conventional scientists

2918
02:08:02,500 --> 02:08:00,469
aren't focused on it but it would be

2919
02:08:06,340 --> 02:08:02,510
nice if there were ways to bring this

2920
02:08:08,350 --> 02:08:06,350
technology out out of the the dark so to

2921
02:08:11,110 --> 02:08:08,360
speak and then to you know have

2922
02:08:14,890 --> 02:08:11,120
competitions like the XPrize which you

2923
02:08:16,420 --> 02:08:14,900
know was won by spaceship one when they

2924
02:08:19,630 --> 02:08:16,430
were a private company that was able to

2925
02:08:21,250 --> 02:08:19,640
send a spacecraft you know up into orbit

2926
02:08:23,890 --> 02:08:21,260
wouldn't it be nice to have an X Prize

2927
02:08:25,930 --> 02:08:23,900
that says demonstrate a non rocket based

2928
02:08:28,420 --> 02:08:25,940
technology that would allow you to

2929
02:08:29,920 --> 02:08:28,430
launch satellites or get into orbit and

2930
02:08:31,510 --> 02:08:29,930
then you know we might start to see some

2931
02:08:33,070 --> 02:08:31,520
of these surface I'm gonna be believer

2932
02:08:36,790 --> 02:08:33,080
that you know innovation starts at the

2933
02:08:39,150 --> 02:08:36,800
grassroots and and you know that that's

2934
02:08:41,920 --> 02:08:39,160
where the answers may lie what do you

2935
02:08:43,900 --> 02:08:41,930
what do you think about disclosure you

2936
02:08:46,030 --> 02:08:43,910
know the big D word you know it's so

2937
02:08:48,760 --> 02:08:46,040
discussed in our circles these days and

2938
02:08:50,140 --> 02:08:48,770
it means so many you know there's so

2939
02:08:53,200 --> 02:08:50,150
many definitions to it

2940
02:08:54,790 --> 02:08:53,210
affects people differently for you what

2941
02:08:56,649 --> 02:08:54,800
do you think disclosure is and do you

2942
02:09:01,209 --> 02:08:56,659
think there's a possibility that we may

2943
02:09:03,340 --> 02:09:01,219
have that someday well so yeah I mean I

2944
02:09:05,500 --> 02:09:03,350
think I've been hearing you know

2945
02:09:07,270 --> 02:09:05,510
disclosure is around the corner and I've

2946
02:09:09,729 --> 02:09:07,280
been hearing it for many years now it

2947
02:09:11,709 --> 02:09:09,739
seems like every year there's people in

2948
02:09:13,390 --> 02:09:11,719
this community that are saying

2949
02:09:15,970 --> 02:09:13,400
disclosure is coming you know next year

2950
02:09:19,899 --> 02:09:15,980
or the year after you know even with

2951
02:09:23,580 --> 02:09:19,909
this election right with John Podesta I

2952
02:09:25,300 --> 02:09:23,590
have a feeling that it it there may be

2953
02:09:27,970 --> 02:09:25,310
another reason

2954
02:09:29,620 --> 02:09:27,980
if this closure hasn't happened yet you

2955
02:09:32,740 --> 02:09:29,630
know and and and I got introduced to the

2956
02:09:35,320 --> 02:09:32,750
UFO phenomena like lots of Americans

2957
02:09:37,450 --> 02:09:35,330
through watching the x-files right back

2958
02:09:39,340 --> 02:09:37,460
in the nineties and got to meet Chris

2959
02:09:44,380 --> 02:09:39,350
Carter creator of x-files a few years

2960
02:09:46,750 --> 02:09:44,390
back which was quite fun but you know

2961
02:09:49,270 --> 02:09:46,760
the point there's an episode in the x-y

2962
02:09:51,490 --> 02:09:49,280
house where you know agent Mulder asks I

2963
02:09:53,709 --> 02:09:51,500
think it was the deep throat guy you

2964
02:09:55,240 --> 02:09:53,719
know they're here aren't they and he

2965
02:09:57,750 --> 02:09:55,250
answers agent Mulder

2966
02:10:01,120 --> 02:09:57,760
they've been here for a very long time

2967
02:10:04,439 --> 02:10:01,130
so I wonder if they've been here for so

2968
02:10:07,180 --> 02:10:04,449
long and disclosure hasn't happened now

2969
02:10:08,649 --> 02:10:07,190
then maybe there's another reason why it

2970
02:10:10,330 --> 02:10:08,659
hasn't happened and I don't know what

2971
02:10:14,370 --> 02:10:10,340
that reason is so now we're totally

2972
02:10:18,580 --> 02:10:14,380
speculating right well we we we are

2973
02:10:20,470 --> 02:10:18,590
except if you go with Occam's razor and

2974
02:10:23,490 --> 02:10:20,480
you just go with like the simplest thing

2975
02:10:26,290 --> 02:10:23,500
here right and you start to deduce the

2976
02:10:28,360 --> 02:10:26,300
if they have been here forever which I

2977
02:10:31,930 --> 02:10:28,370
think that they've been here for a very

2978
02:10:33,820 --> 02:10:31,940
very long millions of years that I mean

2979
02:10:36,370 --> 02:10:33,830
there's no reason why not to think that

2980
02:10:38,680 --> 02:10:36,380
and and for me I want to keep this

2981
02:10:40,810 --> 02:10:38,690
simple I don't want to talk too much we

2982
02:10:44,890 --> 02:10:40,820
are trying to discover exoplanets right

2983
02:10:47,169 --> 02:10:44,900
now more exoplanets we're trying to send

2984
02:10:49,180 --> 02:10:47,179
probes out and we are sending probes out

2985
02:10:50,979 --> 02:10:49,190
and trying to get interstellar and and

2986
02:10:52,450 --> 02:10:50,989
and doing all of these things why we're

2987
02:10:52,750 --> 02:10:52,460
trying to figure out what's going on out

2988
02:10:55,870 --> 02:10:52,760
there

2989
02:10:57,820 --> 02:10:55,880
well ETS doing the exact same thing from

2990
02:11:01,149 --> 02:10:57,830
other points in this universe they are

2991
02:11:03,360 --> 02:11:01,159
also trying to find us or other planets

2992
02:11:08,100 --> 02:11:03,370
like you know that's what they're doing

2993
02:11:09,810 --> 02:11:08,110
and there has to be multitudes millions

2994
02:11:13,140 --> 02:11:09,820
of civilizations out there and I'm

2995
02:11:16,500 --> 02:11:13,150
saying that in in the literal sense that

2996
02:11:21,470 --> 02:11:16,510
has been out mapping the universe and

2997
02:11:24,900 --> 02:11:21,480
that has found earth thousands of times

2998
02:11:26,430 --> 02:11:24,910
thousands of times and and not from one

2999
02:11:28,500 --> 02:11:26,440
planet I'm just talking about from

3000
02:11:31,230 --> 02:11:28,510
multiple points and different

3001
02:11:33,420 --> 02:11:31,240
civilizations that has to be the way

3002
02:11:36,300 --> 02:11:33,430
that it is it can't be any other way

3003
02:11:39,240 --> 02:11:36,310
to think that we have never been found

3004
02:11:43,050 --> 02:11:39,250
by another intelligent life form that is

3005
02:11:45,630 --> 02:11:43,060
more smarter than us is absurd it's a

3006
02:11:49,740 --> 02:11:45,640
it's an impossibility I'm telling you

3007
02:11:52,640 --> 02:11:49,750
it's a zero probable number zero and so

3008
02:11:54,630 --> 02:11:52,650
that that's it that's the answer to that

3009
02:11:57,300 --> 02:11:54,640
yeah and if you look at you know

3010
02:11:59,520 --> 02:11:57,310
conventional science today as we

3011
02:12:02,100 --> 02:11:59,530
discover these planets the the estimate

3012
02:12:05,070 --> 02:12:02,110
for the number of planets in the galaxy

3013
02:12:06,570 --> 02:12:05,080
alone right is skyrocketing right so

3014
02:12:09,300 --> 02:12:06,580
you're in over a hundred million

3015
02:12:12,810 --> 02:12:09,310
potential planets out there many of whom

3016
02:12:14,670 --> 02:12:12,820
may be in that Goldilocks zone where we

3017
02:12:17,310 --> 02:12:14,680
are with earth between being too hot and

3018
02:12:18,540 --> 02:12:17,320
too cold so I think even you know

3019
02:12:21,990 --> 02:12:18,550
mainstream science will acknowledge that

3020
02:12:24,390 --> 02:12:22,000
there are probably extraterrestrial

3021
02:12:27,060 --> 02:12:24,400
civilizations and life out there I think

3022
02:12:29,310 --> 02:12:27,070
where the UFO and the mainstream science

3023
02:12:32,580 --> 02:12:29,320
collide is in that question of whether

3024
02:12:34,590 --> 02:12:32,590
they're visiting us or not right and and

3025
02:12:36,750 --> 02:12:34,600
I think you know that's that's an

3026
02:12:38,580 --> 02:12:36,760
interesting clash and I've met people on

3027
02:12:41,100 --> 02:12:38,590
both sides you know as I said I've done

3028
02:12:42,780 --> 02:12:41,110
some UFO documentaries I also know the

3029
02:12:44,220 --> 02:12:42,790
people over at SETI like that's jaw

3030
02:12:47,130 --> 02:12:44,230
stacking people like that and they have

3031
02:12:48,480 --> 02:12:47,140
a very different perspective but but you

3032
02:12:52,590 --> 02:12:48,490
know I wonder again going back to

3033
02:12:55,350 --> 02:12:52,600
science fiction you know if if there are

3034
02:12:58,230 --> 02:12:55,360
these other civilizations visiting us

3035
02:13:00,480 --> 02:12:58,240
and there is this technology that allows

3036
02:13:03,780 --> 02:13:00,490
it to be done you know why hasn't that

3037
02:13:05,850 --> 02:13:03,790
technology been allowed in the open now

3038
02:13:08,610 --> 02:13:05,860
one theory is there's governments that

3039
02:13:10,800 --> 02:13:08,620
are suppressing it you know I have

3040
02:13:12,360 --> 02:13:10,810
another random theory which I have no

3041
02:13:15,720 --> 02:13:12,370
idea if it's true but it's a theory it's

3042
02:13:16,930 --> 02:13:15,730
it's sort of like what we do with let's

3043
02:13:19,000 --> 02:13:16,940
say Iran and the

3044
02:13:21,070 --> 02:13:19,010
nuclear deal right we say to them we

3045
02:13:22,570 --> 02:13:21,080
have our UN inspectors you're not

3046
02:13:25,420 --> 02:13:22,580
allowed to have that technology because

3047
02:13:27,610 --> 02:13:25,430
it's too dangerous and we send in the UN

3048
02:13:29,860 --> 02:13:27,620
sends in inspectors to try to stop them

3049
02:13:32,229 --> 02:13:29,870
and any time they get close we get

3050
02:13:35,050 --> 02:13:32,239
nervous well you know I'm not four

3051
02:13:38,100 --> 02:13:35,060
against the deal but if you if you take

3052
02:13:40,420 --> 02:13:38,110
that model to an interstellar level and

3053
02:13:42,610 --> 02:13:40,430
you know supposedly been rich who was

3054
02:13:44,740 --> 02:13:42,620
the director of Lockheed Martin said

3055
02:13:47,110 --> 02:13:44,750
that every point in space and time are

3056
02:13:50,290 --> 02:13:47,120
connected is it possible that this

3057
02:13:53,220 --> 02:13:50,300
technology if it were to get out would

3058
02:13:56,050 --> 02:13:53,230
allow us not just to travel to other

3059
02:13:58,420 --> 02:13:56,060
star systems but again getting back to

3060
02:14:01,450 --> 02:13:58,430
our earlier discussion it would allow us

3061
02:14:03,280 --> 02:14:01,460
to start jumping to parallel worlds

3062
02:14:05,709 --> 02:14:03,290
because it's a quantum based technology

3063
02:14:08,110 --> 02:14:05,719
it's not a traditional propulsion

3064
02:14:09,970 --> 02:14:08,120
technology right because that's we often

3065
02:14:11,140 --> 02:14:09,980
think of it in terms of mainstream

3066
02:14:12,340 --> 02:14:11,150
science we'll say there's no way they

3067
02:14:14,200 --> 02:14:12,350
could get here because they can't travel

3068
02:14:15,910 --> 02:14:14,210
fast enough and it would take you know

3069
02:14:19,180 --> 02:14:15,920
thousands of years or whatever the case

3070
02:14:23,290 --> 02:14:19,190
is but maybe it's that this technology

3071
02:14:25,180 --> 02:14:23,300
would allow us to alter the fabric of

3072
02:14:26,920 --> 02:14:25,190
space and time and we could alter the

3073
02:14:29,020 --> 02:14:26,930
timeline that we're on and maybe there's

3074
02:14:31,560 --> 02:14:29,030
there's a quarantine around our planet

3075
02:14:33,520 --> 02:14:31,570
possibly now this is just another idea

3076
02:14:35,590 --> 02:14:33,530
could make for an interesting science

3077
02:14:37,630 --> 02:14:35,600
fiction novel I think but but could it

3078
02:14:39,160 --> 02:14:37,640
be that's one of the reasons why we

3079
02:14:42,939 --> 02:14:39,170
haven't been able to get this out in the

3080
02:14:45,670 --> 02:14:42,949
open yeah yeah and if everything if it

3081
02:14:48,010 --> 02:14:45,680
goes to a level playing field in other

3082
02:14:51,189 --> 02:14:48,020
words the technology is shared and

3083
02:14:53,290 --> 02:14:51,199
suddenly you know this is available to

3084
02:14:56,890 --> 02:14:53,300
ever then the dependence and the prof

3085
02:14:59,970 --> 02:14:56,900
ability from others and other countries

3086
02:15:03,120 --> 02:14:59,980
goes away right and so that the

3087
02:15:06,100 --> 02:15:03,130
industrial machine is no longer needed

3088
02:15:08,500 --> 02:15:06,110
did that that's one aspect the other

3089
02:15:10,630 --> 02:15:08,510
thing is from a military aspect like you

3090
02:15:15,220 --> 02:15:10,640
were just suggesting if somebody could

3091
02:15:17,650 --> 02:15:15,230
then go back and alter time and and now

3092
02:15:25,090 --> 02:15:17,660
the United States is not the superpower

3093
02:15:27,700 --> 02:15:25,100
that it is it could be Mozambique which

3094
02:15:31,300 --> 02:15:27,710
could be problematic for the people in

3095
02:15:33,880 --> 02:15:31,310
power who happened to be us go back and

3096
02:15:36,700 --> 02:15:33,890
change it all so that that would you

3097
02:15:39,100 --> 02:15:36,710
know again interrupting you know the New

3098
02:15:40,360 --> 02:15:39,110
World Order's plan whoever they may be

3099
02:15:43,090 --> 02:15:40,370
you know but there is a

3100
02:15:46,120 --> 02:15:43,100
military-industrial complex that is

3101
02:15:49,000 --> 02:15:46,130
running things and is profit izing on

3102
02:15:51,669 --> 02:15:49,010
our current structure that's it our

3103
02:15:53,740 --> 02:15:51,679
current economic system but if that

3104
02:15:56,320 --> 02:15:53,750
technology gets out none of that is a

3105
02:15:59,290 --> 02:15:56,330
value suddenly all of that just

3106
02:16:02,320 --> 02:15:59,300
completely goes away and that I don't

3107
02:16:04,300 --> 02:16:02,330
think anybody that that is selling

3108
02:16:08,229 --> 02:16:04,310
shares and stock in their company and

3109
02:16:10,570 --> 02:16:08,239
dividends wants that that's right and so

3110
02:16:13,150 --> 02:16:10,580
you have a security element you have a

3111
02:16:15,729 --> 02:16:13,160
financial element I mean this was

3112
02:16:16,930 --> 02:16:15,739
explored and thrive you know Foster and

3113
02:16:19,510 --> 02:16:16,940
Kimberley they'd they explored this

3114
02:16:22,150 --> 02:16:19,520
quite a bit and you know Foster has said

3115
02:16:24,100 --> 02:16:22,160
he's met inventors of these types of

3116
02:16:26,290 --> 02:16:24,110
technologies who have been shut down and

3117
02:16:28,240 --> 02:16:26,300
and so you ask yourself what is the

3118
02:16:30,790 --> 02:16:28,250
motivation for them to shut this down

3119
02:16:32,350 --> 02:16:30,800
and it could very much be a wealth

3120
02:16:34,810 --> 02:16:32,360
motivation right I mean if you look at

3121
02:16:39,190 --> 02:16:34,820
the history of the world right

3122
02:16:40,750 --> 02:16:39,200
oftentimes economics drives most warfare

3123
02:16:42,640 --> 02:16:40,760
and you look at the East India Company

3124
02:16:44,620 --> 02:16:42,650
which was the biggest company in the

3125
02:16:47,110 --> 02:16:44,630
world or looking a hundred to here two

3126
02:16:50,320 --> 02:16:47,120
hundred years ago and they had their own

3127
02:16:52,390 --> 02:16:50,330
private army and it was for importing

3128
02:16:54,669 --> 02:16:52,400
goods from from India and part of the

3129
02:16:56,740 --> 02:16:54,679
British Empire and so they had a lot of

3130
02:16:58,480 --> 02:16:56,750
influence on what happened with the

3131
02:17:00,339 --> 02:16:58,490
British Empire and with India and then

3132
02:17:02,620 --> 02:17:00,349
that you know we're we don't have any

3133
02:17:05,679 --> 02:17:02,630
one company today that is that big

3134
02:17:07,900 --> 02:17:05,689
actually as a percentage of GDP but

3135
02:17:09,610 --> 02:17:07,910
we've got these Oleg are these Oleg um

3136
02:17:11,440 --> 02:17:09,620
police if you will and and you've got

3137
02:17:13,150 --> 02:17:11,450
lots of interests within each of these

3138
02:17:15,429 --> 02:17:13,160
whether it's pharmaceutical or the

3139
02:17:17,850 --> 02:17:15,439
aerospace industry etc as I think that

3140
02:17:21,730 --> 02:17:17,860
certainly you know could play a role

3141
02:17:24,940 --> 02:17:21,740
definitely should we be afraid of Google

3142
02:17:26,070 --> 02:17:24,950
if there is one company I used to think

3143
02:17:28,660 --> 02:17:26,080
it was Microsoft

3144
02:17:30,759 --> 02:17:28,670
there's a possibility that we could

3145
02:17:34,299 --> 02:17:30,769
think of something like Facebook because

3146
02:17:37,240 --> 02:17:34,309
the global influence is you know it's

3147
02:17:38,290 --> 02:17:37,250
without question but should we be afraid

3148
02:17:41,469 --> 02:17:38,300
of

3149
02:17:45,009 --> 02:17:41,479
Google because they are as far as in

3150
02:17:47,259 --> 02:17:45,019
pursuit of AI that is their goal that is

3151
02:17:50,709 --> 02:17:47,269
that there's no question about machine

3152
02:17:52,929 --> 02:17:50,719
learning and imitating us right that

3153
02:17:56,139 --> 02:17:52,939
that's what they are doing right now

3154
02:17:57,580 --> 02:17:56,149
should we be afraid of that well I think

3155
02:17:59,339 --> 02:17:57,590
you know the broader question is should

3156
02:18:01,990 --> 02:17:59,349
we be afraid of artificial intelligence

3157
02:18:04,030 --> 02:18:02,000
you know and machine learning and yeah

3158
02:18:06,219 --> 02:18:04,040
Google Google already has so much

3159
02:18:08,440 --> 02:18:06,229
information you know I think it started

3160
02:18:11,379 --> 02:18:08,450
off as a company that everyone felt good

3161
02:18:13,059 --> 02:18:11,389
about but I remember you know I was at

3162
02:18:14,980 --> 02:18:13,069
Stanford Business School we had Eric

3163
02:18:17,410 --> 02:18:14,990
Schmidt who was the CEO and you know he

3164
02:18:19,030 --> 02:18:17,420
he spoke and it was funny because I I

3165
02:18:20,589 --> 02:18:19,040
wasn't in the main auditorium I was in

3166
02:18:22,599 --> 02:18:20,599
another room but there was this big

3167
02:18:24,280 --> 02:18:22,609
screen and his head was filling the

3168
02:18:26,530 --> 02:18:24,290
whole screen and he was talking about

3169
02:18:28,209 --> 02:18:26,540
how well we know when people are doing

3170
02:18:30,190 --> 02:18:28,219
searches on a particular disease in a

3171
02:18:31,990 --> 02:18:30,200
particular area we know when people are

3172
02:18:32,980 --> 02:18:32,000
searching for particular products and it

3173
02:18:35,919 --> 02:18:32,990
was starting to make me uncomfortable

3174
02:18:37,570 --> 02:18:35,929
because the amount of information that

3175
02:18:40,690 --> 02:18:37,580
they have about you they it could be

3176
02:18:41,799 --> 02:18:40,700
used in all kinds of ways but but

3177
02:18:44,259 --> 02:18:41,809
getting back to the artificial

3178
02:18:46,480 --> 02:18:44,269
intelligence question you know AI is

3179
02:18:48,490 --> 02:18:46,490
interesting because it's a it's a

3180
02:18:50,469 --> 02:18:48,500
different you know machine learning is a

3181
02:18:52,839 --> 02:18:50,479
different way of thinking about software

3182
02:18:55,179 --> 02:18:52,849
and code you know when I learned to code

3183
02:18:56,790 --> 02:18:55,189
it was on the Apple too with basic I

3184
02:18:59,379 --> 02:18:56,800
made a tic-tac-toe game and it was about

3185
02:19:01,780 --> 02:18:59,389
statements I would define the rules and

3186
02:19:04,389 --> 02:19:01,790
the program would run and now they're

3187
02:19:06,790 --> 02:19:04,399
starting to basically put the machine

3188
02:19:08,889 --> 02:19:06,800
learning against a bunch of data so it's

3189
02:19:13,209 --> 02:19:08,899
not so much rules but the data itself

3190
02:19:15,429 --> 02:19:13,219
which which figures things out and you

3191
02:19:16,509 --> 02:19:15,439
know there's not a tying this back to

3192
02:19:19,389 --> 02:19:16,519
what we were talking about earlier with

3193
02:19:20,889 --> 02:19:19,399
dreams let me tell a quick story about a

3194
02:19:22,929 --> 02:19:20,899
dream that that someone had it was a

3195
02:19:25,809 --> 02:19:22,939
young filmmaker named James and he

3196
02:19:27,549 --> 02:19:25,819
happened to be in Italy and he happened

3197
02:19:29,889 --> 02:19:27,559
to have a fever so he couldn't go to the

3198
02:19:32,169 --> 02:19:29,899
set so he ended up having this nightmare

3199
02:19:33,730 --> 02:19:32,179
about these robots emerging from the

3200
02:19:35,650 --> 02:19:33,740
fire and he woke up and he couldn't get

3201
02:19:38,530 --> 02:19:35,660
it out of his head so he drew a picture

3202
02:19:41,080 --> 02:19:38,540
of the robots emerging from the fire and

3203
02:19:42,700 --> 02:19:41,090
he showed it to his friend Gail and she

3204
02:19:44,980 --> 02:19:42,710
said well that's interesting what's the

3205
02:19:46,959 --> 02:19:44,990
story here maybe you can write a script

3206
02:19:49,791 --> 02:19:46,969
and so he ended up writing a screenplay

3207
02:19:51,350 --> 02:19:49,801
which anyone be determinate or right

3208
02:19:54,171 --> 02:19:51,360
right right so we're talking about James

3209
02:19:56,841 --> 02:19:54,181
Cameron and you know as you watch the

3210
02:19:59,631 --> 02:19:56,851
Terminator films you know the first time

3211
02:20:02,180 --> 02:19:59,641
I saw a drone you know was the hk's

3212
02:20:04,850 --> 02:20:02,190
right the Hunter Killer right right we

3213
02:20:07,310 --> 02:20:04,860
now have drones that you know are firing

3214
02:20:08,930 --> 02:20:07,320
from remote control once once that

3215
02:20:10,881 --> 02:20:08,940
technology has been perfected which it

3216
02:20:13,341 --> 02:20:10,891
has which is that you can have people

3217
02:20:16,791 --> 02:20:13,351
sitting in Langley directing a drone to

3218
02:20:21,081 --> 02:20:16,801
fire in Afghanistan right it's not very

3219
02:20:23,451 --> 02:20:21,091
far from an AI or another computer

3220
02:20:25,761 --> 02:20:23,461
system being able to take that over and

3221
02:20:26,900 --> 02:20:25,771
issue the commands now I'm not saying

3222
02:20:29,390 --> 02:20:26,910
that we're necessarily headed for a

3223
02:20:31,131 --> 02:20:29,400
Terminator type scenario but I do think

3224
02:20:34,190 --> 02:20:31,141
it's not out of the realm of possibility

3225
02:20:38,001 --> 02:20:34,200
it's not far from our defense technology

3226
02:20:41,421 --> 02:20:38,011
our AI and Skynet not that that far off

3227
02:20:45,831 --> 02:20:41,431
in my opinion yeah it's scary when right

3228
02:20:47,631 --> 02:20:45,841
now if you want to be a pilot you don't

3229
02:20:49,791 --> 02:20:47,641
want to be a pilot you don't want to fly

3230
02:20:51,680 --> 02:20:49,801
for American Airlines right you don't

3231
02:20:54,291 --> 02:20:51,690
make any money you want to be a drone

3232
02:20:56,331 --> 02:20:54,301
pilot that's where the money is right

3233
02:21:00,140 --> 02:20:56,341
now you know this is some serious

3234
02:21:03,110 --> 02:21:00,150
six-figure money for eighteen-year-old

3235
02:21:05,570 --> 02:21:03,120
gamers right that's true yeah drones are

3236
02:21:07,761 --> 02:21:05,580
very popular and very big right now that

3237
02:21:10,041 --> 02:21:07,771
is that's where the money is at mint and

3238
02:21:15,440 --> 02:21:10,051
you will get a serious signing bonus

3239
02:21:17,480 --> 02:21:15,450
from the Air Force or from the CIA let's

3240
02:21:19,850 --> 02:21:17,490
stay on AI can I get you to do some

3241
02:21:23,780 --> 02:21:19,860
overtime we're already at the end of the

3242
02:21:27,020 --> 02:21:23,790
show you can hang out right okay

3243
02:21:30,860 --> 02:21:27,030
let's hang out let's stay on AI and the

3244
02:21:33,020 --> 02:21:30,870
singularity when do you not the Ray

3245
02:21:36,190 --> 02:21:33,030
Kurzweil version of it because he's too

3246
02:21:38,301 --> 02:21:36,200
broad he's saying anywhere from 2018 to

3247
02:21:43,371 --> 02:21:38,311
2036 or whatever his numbers are in a

3248
02:21:46,100 --> 02:21:43,381
razor bright guy but when when it gets

3249
02:21:50,350 --> 02:21:46,110
to the point where it's sort of there

3250
02:21:53,091 --> 02:21:50,360
now where AI is writing its own software

3251
02:21:56,030 --> 02:21:53,101
right and answering its own questions

3252
02:21:58,041 --> 02:21:56,040
and problem solving is that the

3253
02:21:59,961 --> 02:21:58,051
singularity that we need to be aware of

3254
02:22:01,700 --> 02:21:59,971
because if that's the case it could be

3255
02:22:04,020 --> 02:22:01,710
next month

3256
02:22:06,960 --> 02:22:04,030
well yeah again it depends on how you

3257
02:22:09,630 --> 02:22:06,970
define singularity right is it when the

3258
02:22:11,370 --> 02:22:09,640
computer is as intelligent as a human is

3259
02:22:14,310 --> 02:22:11,380
it when we can pass the Turing test

3260
02:22:17,520 --> 02:22:14,320
right which you know was the test that

3261
02:22:20,341 --> 02:22:17,530
Alan Turing put forward you know back in

3262
02:22:22,710 --> 02:22:20,351
World War 2 yeah 50 you're right right

3263
02:22:25,440 --> 02:22:22,720
50 is right right afterwards after he

3264
02:22:28,200 --> 02:22:25,450
was involved with the whole enigma you

3265
02:22:29,790 --> 02:22:28,210
know decoding thing where you you would

3266
02:22:31,920 --> 02:22:29,800
interact with a computer and if you

3267
02:22:34,261 --> 02:22:31,930
couldn't tell the difference between the

3268
02:22:36,390 --> 02:22:34,271
computer and a human you know then

3269
02:22:37,830 --> 02:22:36,400
you're you're at that that point I mean

3270
02:22:40,950 --> 02:22:37,840
I don't think we're quite there yet

3271
02:22:42,780 --> 02:22:40,960
right we have chat BOTS that are used a

3272
02:22:44,100 --> 02:22:42,790
lot but they're just you know often

3273
02:22:45,990 --> 02:22:44,110
unknowing and just sending us a bunch of

3274
02:22:47,160 --> 02:22:46,000
videos I'm not really answering our

3275
02:22:49,560 --> 02:22:47,170
questions but they're getting smarter

3276
02:22:51,900 --> 02:22:49,570
and smarter and a lot of this has its

3277
02:22:53,610 --> 02:22:51,910
origins in games you know first chat

3278
02:22:55,860 --> 02:22:53,620
BOTS were really non player characters

3279
02:22:56,490 --> 02:22:55,870
in games and you look at text games like

3280
02:22:58,950 --> 02:22:56,500
Zork

3281
02:23:02,000 --> 02:22:58,960
you know when the 80s you know which got

3282
02:23:05,790 --> 02:23:02,010
more and more sophisticated at parsing

3283
02:23:08,220 --> 02:23:05,800
but but yeah I mean I think depending on

3284
02:23:09,540 --> 02:23:08,230
how you define the singularity you know

3285
02:23:13,020 --> 02:23:09,550
we're still a little ways often when I

3286
02:23:15,570 --> 02:23:13,030
was at school stop stop stop right there

3287
02:23:17,880 --> 02:23:15,580
is when you say I don't want to be rude

3288
02:23:21,600 --> 02:23:17,890
I have to when you say a little ways off

3289
02:23:23,790 --> 02:23:21,610
what do you are we talking five years

3290
02:23:27,960 --> 02:23:23,800
ten years or five months what's a little

3291
02:23:30,690 --> 02:23:27,970
ways for Risberg well so when I was in

3292
02:23:32,910 --> 02:23:30,700
school a I was always five to ten years

3293
02:23:34,830 --> 02:23:32,920
away right back in the 80s there was a

3294
02:23:37,080 --> 02:23:34,840
wave of AI but really that was a bunch

3295
02:23:39,511 --> 02:23:37,090
of expert systems which turned out to

3296
02:23:41,400 --> 02:23:39,521
not necessarily be the holy grail of AI

3297
02:23:44,310 --> 02:23:41,410
but they kept thinking it was five or

3298
02:23:46,830 --> 02:23:44,320
ten years away and so you know AI now

3299
02:23:47,970 --> 02:23:46,840
has gotten very hot and there's a lot of

3300
02:23:49,230 --> 02:23:47,980
things that can be done you know I live

3301
02:23:51,860 --> 02:23:49,240
in Mountain View just down the road from

3302
02:23:54,720 --> 02:23:51,870
Google and I see the the Google cars

3303
02:23:56,780 --> 02:23:54,730
driving by all the time right and they

3304
02:23:59,610 --> 02:23:56,790
have a pretty good operational record

3305
02:24:02,520 --> 02:23:59,620
you know in terms of self-driving cars

3306
02:24:05,220 --> 02:24:02,530
you know Tesla has it so I feel like

3307
02:24:07,801 --> 02:24:05,230
it's accelerating now but but yeah I

3308
02:24:11,700 --> 02:24:07,811
mean I think we're at least you know 10

3309
02:24:14,380 --> 02:24:11,710
20 years it may even take if you think

3310
02:24:16,630 --> 02:24:14,390
of AI today it took a big insight

3311
02:24:19,120 --> 02:24:16,640
the AI of yesterday was rule-based

3312
02:24:20,950 --> 02:24:19,130
systems and somebody said forget who it

3313
02:24:22,511 --> 02:24:20,960
was but they said well what if we could

3314
02:24:24,040 --> 02:24:22,521
do a neural network and we could train

3315
02:24:26,470 --> 02:24:24,050
it with data then we wouldn't have to

3316
02:24:28,990 --> 02:24:26,480
write any code or any rules the code

3317
02:24:31,150 --> 02:24:29,000
would just the data set would learn and

3318
02:24:32,950 --> 02:24:31,160
the the the parameters would

3319
02:24:35,430 --> 02:24:32,960
automatically be verified and that

3320
02:24:37,900 --> 02:24:35,440
turned out to be good for a set of

3321
02:24:39,940 --> 02:24:37,910
problems just like the rule sets were

3322
02:24:41,920 --> 02:24:39,950
good for a certain set of problems but

3323
02:24:45,250 --> 02:24:41,930
they didn't work for generalized AI

3324
02:24:47,320 --> 02:24:45,260
turns out this neural net data training

3325
02:24:49,570 --> 02:24:47,330
approach was good for things like

3326
02:24:52,270 --> 02:24:49,580
recognizing handwriting that's right it

3327
02:24:53,890 --> 02:24:52,280
has gotten very good at that phases

3328
02:24:55,420 --> 02:24:53,900
we're almost there yet we're almost

3329
02:24:58,360 --> 02:24:55,430
there but we're not quite there where

3330
02:25:00,670 --> 02:24:58,370
where AI is can recognize faces that

3331
02:25:03,460 --> 02:25:00,680
well I mean the new iPhone 10 right has

3332
02:25:06,730 --> 02:25:03,470
the AI recognition software and

3333
02:25:08,830 --> 02:25:06,740
sometimes it gets at wrong just like you

3334
02:25:10,330 --> 02:25:08,840
know voice commands you know they've

3335
02:25:12,340 --> 02:25:10,340
gotten pretty good on the phone where if

3336
02:25:15,011 --> 02:25:12,350
we're only allowed to say you know

3337
02:25:17,051 --> 02:25:15,021
operator or you know I want to change my

3338
02:25:18,730 --> 02:25:17,061
reservation they've gotten pretty good

3339
02:25:20,261 --> 02:25:18,740
at recognizing that but you know Siri

3340
02:25:22,660 --> 02:25:20,271
breaks down all the time for me when I

3341
02:25:24,610 --> 02:25:22,670
try to talk to her it doesn't quite get

3342
02:25:26,500 --> 02:25:24,620
what I'm trying to say so but I think

3343
02:25:28,540 --> 02:25:26,510
for that class of problems this database

3344
02:25:30,250 --> 02:25:28,550
neural net approach is a pretty good one

3345
02:25:33,340 --> 02:25:30,260
and and it's getting there so that's

3346
02:25:34,750 --> 02:25:33,350
maybe you know fine the next five to ten

3347
02:25:36,640 --> 02:25:34,760
years but there may need to be another

3348
02:25:38,020 --> 02:25:36,650
breakthrough that says you know what

3349
02:25:40,330 --> 02:25:38,030
this was a good idea but we need to do

3350
02:25:42,460 --> 02:25:40,340
it this other way it's a different

3351
02:25:44,920 --> 02:25:42,470
paradigm and so that's why I think we're

3352
02:25:46,570 --> 02:25:44,930
a little bit further away from from from

3353
02:25:48,940 --> 02:25:46,580
the singularity then a lot of people

3354
02:25:51,850 --> 02:25:48,950
here might think well and we're gonna

3355
02:25:54,460 --> 02:25:51,860
hit a break here this is this is my

3356
02:25:57,340 --> 02:25:54,470
concern I did the same thing that you

3357
02:26:02,470 --> 02:25:57,350
did I programmed in basic tic-tac-toe on

3358
02:26:04,540 --> 02:26:02,480
punch cards okay I did that I see I

3359
02:26:08,860 --> 02:26:04,550
predated you but we you know wrote it

3360
02:26:14,640 --> 02:26:08,870
all out and and and and some but all of

3361
02:26:19,870 --> 02:26:14,650
that I did all of that from mindset pre

3362
02:26:22,240 --> 02:26:19,880
1993 92 91 pre-internet today with the

3363
02:26:25,390 --> 02:26:22,250
ability not only cloud base but the

3364
02:26:28,840 --> 02:26:25,400
network of of computing power is getting

3365
02:26:32,350 --> 02:26:28,850
stupid on chips that are really stupid

3366
02:26:36,600 --> 02:26:32,360
compared to ten years ago and I know I'm

3367
02:26:39,790 --> 02:26:36,610
speaking to the choir here but now for

3368
02:26:42,730 --> 02:26:39,800
the computing power for AI to start

3369
02:26:46,540 --> 02:26:42,740
looking at itself and starting to now it

3370
02:26:50,670 --> 02:26:46,550
has the the power to do this my fear is

3371
02:26:56,860 --> 02:26:50,680
that once that simple line is crossed

3372
02:27:02,080 --> 02:26:56,870
that simple line then the computing AI

3373
02:27:06,340 --> 02:27:02,090
power will will magnify by a trillion

3374
02:27:07,810 --> 02:27:06,350
times in 24 hours and then in a week now

3375
02:27:10,301 --> 02:27:07,820
we're looking at what people were

3376
02:27:13,320 --> 02:27:10,311
thinking were five or ten years is going

3377
02:27:15,761 --> 02:27:13,330
to happen in minutes because it is gonna

3378
02:27:19,090 --> 02:27:15,771
exponentially just compound and just

3379
02:27:21,700 --> 02:27:19,100
take off that's that that's what I fear

3380
02:27:23,801 --> 02:27:21,710
and and nobody's addressing that that's

3381
02:27:25,540 --> 02:27:23,811
that's what I trip on and when it

3382
02:27:28,060 --> 02:27:25,550
happens it's gonna happen so quick it's

3383
02:27:30,480 --> 02:27:28,070
gonna be engaged it's not gonna be you

3384
02:27:32,860 --> 02:27:30,490
know something that we can slow down

3385
02:27:35,920 --> 02:27:32,870
well yeah you know that may be the case

3386
02:27:38,170 --> 02:27:35,930
I mean today because we're all connected

3387
02:27:40,390 --> 02:27:38,180
I mean one of the hottest technologies

3388
02:27:42,340 --> 02:27:40,400
these days here in Silicon Valley is

3389
02:27:44,440 --> 02:27:42,350
block named mm-hmm and the idea of

3390
02:27:48,011 --> 02:27:44,450
blockchain is that you have all these

3391
02:27:49,930 --> 02:27:48,021
different computers all computing at the

3392
02:27:51,730 --> 02:27:49,940
blockchain for Bitcoin for example but

3393
02:27:53,801 --> 02:27:51,740
it could be used for other technologies

3394
02:27:55,301 --> 02:27:53,811
there's a great there's a great scene at

3395
02:27:56,710 --> 02:27:55,311
the end of Terminator 3 which most

3396
02:27:58,330 --> 02:27:56,720
people think isn't such a great movie

3397
02:28:00,640 --> 02:27:58,340
but where he's trying to shut off the

3398
02:28:02,410 --> 02:28:00,650
servers and he realizes oh it's software

3399
02:28:04,870 --> 02:28:02,420
you can't just shut it off it's already

3400
02:28:06,880 --> 02:28:04,880
on lots of different servers we're now

3401
02:28:09,970 --> 02:28:06,890
getting you know these decentralized

3402
02:28:11,890 --> 02:28:09,980
peer-to-peer networks where the

3403
02:28:14,410 --> 02:28:11,900
computing can happen you know in many

3404
02:28:15,850 --> 02:28:14,420
different places at once and I think you

3405
02:28:18,761 --> 02:28:15,860
know if something like that happens

3406
02:28:21,910 --> 02:28:18,771
where you can't shut it off it would be

3407
02:28:22,980 --> 02:28:21,920
in a decentralized architecture but I

3408
02:28:25,060 --> 02:28:22,990
think it's gonna take different

3409
02:28:28,060 --> 02:28:25,070
architectures from what we have today

3410
02:28:30,551 --> 02:28:28,070
and that's why I you know I again I I'm

3411
02:28:33,580 --> 02:28:30,561
not as worried at least within the next

3412
02:28:35,380 --> 02:28:33,590
5-10 years cuz I feel like you know even

3413
02:28:38,170 --> 02:28:35,390
though there have been there's been

3414
02:28:39,970 --> 02:28:38,180
great progress in the last few years the

3415
02:28:40,929 --> 02:28:39,980
computer science hasn't changed much

3416
02:28:43,330 --> 02:28:40,939
it's still

3417
02:28:45,219 --> 02:28:43,340
except for say the quantum computing

3418
02:28:47,679 --> 02:28:45,229
world but it's still about these

3419
02:28:49,840 --> 02:28:47,689
algorithms and and how they run

3420
02:28:54,309 --> 02:28:49,850
translate into code and then the code

3421
02:28:55,569 --> 02:28:54,319
runs on on these chips but if you look

3422
02:28:57,340 --> 02:28:55,579
at you know one of the hottest companies

3423
02:29:00,729 --> 02:28:57,350
today in Silicon Valley is actually

3424
02:29:02,679 --> 02:29:00,739
Nvidia which mades GPUs mm-hmm and those

3425
02:29:04,540 --> 02:29:02,689
were graphics processor units and they

3426
02:29:06,580 --> 02:29:04,550
sorted out that you know to do

3427
02:29:08,080 --> 02:29:06,590
high-level gaming it's better to have a

3428
02:29:10,929 --> 02:29:08,090
separate chip so you don't attack the

3429
02:29:13,179 --> 02:29:10,939
CPU that's just dedicated to doing

3430
02:29:15,309 --> 02:29:13,189
graphics well it turns out people are

3431
02:29:17,469 --> 02:29:15,319
creating chips now just for say mining

3432
02:29:19,540 --> 02:29:17,479
Bitcoin and then those GPUs are

3433
02:29:22,059 --> 02:29:19,550
providing the computing power that a I

3434
02:29:24,069 --> 02:29:22,069
might need so you know that that's uh

3435
02:29:25,870 --> 02:29:24,079
that's a very very interesting concept

3436
02:29:28,179 --> 02:29:25,880
so one of the projects that I'm involved

3437
02:29:30,969 --> 02:29:28,189
in now is a company called theta labs

3438
02:29:33,639 --> 02:29:30,979
and we just announced this new theta

3439
02:29:35,590 --> 02:29:33,649
token which is like Bitcoin but it's a

3440
02:29:38,590 --> 02:29:35,600
blockchain for distributing video and

3441
02:29:39,969 --> 02:29:38,600
the idea is that anybody can upload

3442
02:29:41,469 --> 02:29:39,979
their video or stream it and you don't

3443
02:29:43,630 --> 02:29:41,479
have to go through a centralized server

3444
02:29:47,229 --> 02:29:43,640
you don't have to go through an alchemy

3445
02:29:49,599 --> 02:29:47,239
or an Amazon CloudFront and that people

3446
02:29:51,309 --> 02:29:49,609
can watch this these streams and as they

3447
02:29:53,620 --> 02:29:51,319
watch their earning these coins and it's

3448
02:29:56,439 --> 02:29:53,630
happening on very large number of

3449
02:29:58,059 --> 02:29:56,449
computers around the world so that you

3450
02:30:00,460 --> 02:29:58,069
know if you want to watch a particularly

3451
02:30:02,080 --> 02:30:00,470
sport stream or video stream and you're

3452
02:30:03,670 --> 02:30:02,090
in the middle of Brazil there might be

3453
02:30:04,960 --> 02:30:03,680
somebody down the block who has a better

3454
02:30:07,239 --> 02:30:04,970
connection than you and so you can we

3455
02:30:09,550 --> 02:30:07,249
can use all this this computing power

3456
02:30:11,109 --> 02:30:09,560
that's sitting there in order to send

3457
02:30:13,420 --> 02:30:11,119
send the videos and so that's an example

3458
02:30:14,559 --> 02:30:13,430
of taking you know an existing

3459
02:30:17,260 --> 02:30:14,569
architecture and saying let's

3460
02:30:18,429 --> 02:30:17,270
decentralize that so I and I think

3461
02:30:21,370 --> 02:30:18,439
you're gonna need that kind of

3462
02:30:24,489 --> 02:30:21,380
decentralized AI before we get to the

3463
02:30:25,870 --> 02:30:24,499
kinds of scenarios I think that that you

3464
02:30:28,179 --> 02:30:25,880
know we're all worried about at some

3465
02:30:30,309 --> 02:30:28,189
level and that you're talking about well

3466
02:30:32,580 --> 02:30:30,319
and the the other part because you

3467
02:30:36,989 --> 02:30:32,590
talked about the off switch right and

3468
02:30:40,120 --> 02:30:36,999
obviously there needs to be that

3469
02:30:41,859 --> 02:30:40,130
emergency scenario right that DEFCON 5

3470
02:30:45,010 --> 02:30:41,869
holy crap this is spinning out of

3471
02:30:47,080 --> 02:30:45,020
control let's turn it off but AI is

3472
02:30:49,059 --> 02:30:47,090
gonna outsmart that that's the first

3473
02:30:52,899 --> 02:30:49,069
thing that they need to do right into

3474
02:31:00,949 --> 02:30:56,000
otherwise AI is not worth its a you know

3475
02:31:03,739 --> 02:31:00,959
it's not worth its bit you know that the

3476
02:31:05,689 --> 02:31:03,749
off switch you know it's not gonna be as

3477
02:31:07,760 --> 02:31:05,699
simple well let's unplug it no more

3478
02:31:12,380 --> 02:31:07,770
electricity well AI thought of that

3479
02:31:14,439 --> 02:31:12,390
right right we're not there yet but yeah

3480
02:31:18,859 --> 02:31:14,449
I mean as you start talking about these

3481
02:31:20,569 --> 02:31:18,869
scenarios of self-awareness right and

3482
02:31:23,210 --> 02:31:20,579
again I use science fiction as analogies

3483
02:31:25,519 --> 02:31:23,220
you know whether it's Skynet or in Star

3484
02:31:28,639 --> 02:31:25,529
Trek data right and the question comes

3485
02:31:31,939 --> 02:31:28,649
up you know is data a person right and

3486
02:31:34,250 --> 02:31:31,949
Picard has to defend him you know in a

3487
02:31:36,949 --> 02:31:34,260
couple of episodes or is he just a

3488
02:31:39,819 --> 02:31:36,959
machine and you know that raises some

3489
02:31:42,590 --> 02:31:39,829
uncomfortable questions about ourselves

3490
02:31:43,670 --> 02:31:42,600
you know our you know mainstream

3491
02:31:46,279 --> 02:31:43,680
scientists say well we're just a

3492
02:31:47,809 --> 02:31:46,289
collection of neurons all right well if

3493
02:31:49,159 --> 02:31:47,819
we can get these artificial neurons and

3494
02:31:51,139 --> 02:31:49,169
you have a collection of them then that

3495
02:31:53,300 --> 02:31:51,149
is that the same but you know I tend to

3496
02:31:55,519 --> 02:31:53,310
also having been a student of the

3497
02:31:57,830 --> 02:31:55,529
ancient yogic and other traditions

3498
02:32:00,739 --> 02:31:57,840
believe that there's more that there is

3499
02:32:02,899 --> 02:32:00,749
an animating force and that that

3500
02:32:05,059 --> 02:32:02,909
animating force is our consciousness and

3501
02:32:07,639 --> 02:32:05,069
so the question is can a I have its own

3502
02:32:09,409 --> 02:32:07,649
consciousness or is it just still going

3503
02:32:12,019 --> 02:32:09,419
to be just reacting to these situations

3504
02:32:15,769 --> 02:32:12,029
and I mean I don't have the answer to

3505
02:32:18,519 --> 02:32:15,779
that but that's when we start to worry I

3506
02:32:22,639 --> 02:32:18,529
mean if if we look at a religious or

3507
02:32:24,080 --> 02:32:22,649
Eastern religious model right and at MIT

3508
02:32:27,590 --> 02:32:24,090
what I learned was that science is

3509
02:32:29,269 --> 02:32:27,600
really just a series of models and they

3510
02:32:31,189 --> 02:32:29,279
happened to be mathematical models in

3511
02:32:33,739 --> 02:32:31,199
science and they worked for some time

3512
02:32:35,389 --> 02:32:33,749
and usually they might not work on the

3513
02:32:37,849 --> 02:32:35,399
edges like the Newtonian model of

3514
02:32:39,590 --> 02:32:37,859
classic physics it works except when

3515
02:32:41,210 --> 02:32:39,600
you're going really fast and Einstein

3516
02:32:43,250 --> 02:32:41,220
figured out there was a fringe and

3517
02:32:45,529 --> 02:32:43,260
another model that worked better as a

3518
02:32:46,489 --> 02:32:45,539
more generalizable model well I think in

3519
02:32:48,729 --> 02:32:46,499
the ancient traditions you know they

3520
02:32:52,790 --> 02:32:48,739
have this model of a soul that comes in

3521
02:32:55,159 --> 02:32:52,800
goes out in between lives and it it

3522
02:32:56,809 --> 02:32:55,169
plans the next life and it goes back in

3523
02:32:58,699 --> 02:32:56,819
it's like a video game where you're

3524
02:33:00,500 --> 02:32:58,709
going you know from level to level and

3525
02:33:02,899 --> 02:33:00,510
whether you believe in that or not it's

3526
02:33:05,490 --> 02:33:02,909
an interesting model I think right and

3527
02:33:06,840 --> 02:33:05,500
so but supposedly

3528
02:33:08,460 --> 02:33:06,850
as I talked about earlier where the

3529
02:33:12,540 --> 02:33:08,470
Yogi's could send their consciousness to

3530
02:33:15,540 --> 02:33:12,550
another biological Li based being like a

3531
02:33:18,390 --> 02:33:15,550
bird or an animal it's when you start

3532
02:33:21,950 --> 02:33:18,400
combining biology with the electrical

3533
02:33:24,390 --> 02:33:21,960
circuits that's where I worry that

3534
02:33:25,650 --> 02:33:24,400
strange things will start to happen and

3535
02:33:29,450 --> 02:33:25,660
that you actually could have

3536
02:33:31,800 --> 02:33:29,460
consciousness in in the silicon /

3537
02:33:35,100 --> 02:33:31,810
biological based chips which have yet to

3538
02:33:37,680 --> 02:33:35,110
be invented well it would have to well

3539
02:33:40,740 --> 02:33:37,690
and see this is this is the tricky part

3540
02:33:44,010 --> 02:33:40,750
about that is theoretically

3541
02:33:47,790 --> 02:33:44,020
and certainly mathematically and from a

3542
02:33:50,460 --> 02:33:47,800
code writing sense it would have to work

3543
02:33:53,400 --> 02:33:50,470
because in the universe everything is a

3544
02:33:57,000 --> 02:33:53,410
positive or a negative consciousness is

3545
02:34:00,920 --> 02:33:57,010
energy a conscious conscience is energy

3546
02:34:03,900 --> 02:34:00,930
your your it right the brain right

3547
02:34:06,420 --> 02:34:03,910
everything is energy therefore it's a

3548
02:34:11,130 --> 02:34:06,430
positive or negative therefore it can be

3549
02:34:13,080 --> 02:34:11,140
stored at some point somehow right right

3550
02:34:14,730 --> 02:34:13,090
and today it's stored in our physical

3551
02:34:17,520 --> 02:34:14,740
bodies at least while we're alive

3552
02:34:19,880 --> 02:34:17,530
right that's right we look at lucid

3553
02:34:22,410 --> 02:34:19,890
dreaming experiences in astral traveling

3554
02:34:24,450 --> 02:34:22,420
and you can pick up things and you can

3555
02:34:25,770 --> 02:34:24,460
go see what people are doing and there

3556
02:34:28,080 --> 02:34:25,780
are people who are very adept at that

3557
02:34:29,430 --> 02:34:28,090
right and so if your consciousness can

3558
02:34:31,710 --> 02:34:29,440
leave your body it can go elsewhere

3559
02:34:34,500 --> 02:34:31,720
right and so you know I think at some

3560
02:34:36,720 --> 02:34:34,510
point there will be hybrid biological

3561
02:34:38,070 --> 02:34:36,730
silicon chips where we may be able to do

3562
02:34:39,720 --> 02:34:38,080
that I think it's further away than Ray

3563
02:34:41,850 --> 02:34:39,730
Kurzweil thinks it is because they're

3564
02:34:44,280 --> 02:34:41,860
thinking strictly in a silicon

3565
02:34:45,090 --> 02:34:44,290
electricity model right right there yeah

3566
02:34:49,350 --> 02:34:45,100
you're right about that

3567
02:34:51,630 --> 02:34:49,360
and what about this let's take one more

3568
02:34:53,850 --> 02:34:51,640
step outside of the box do you think

3569
02:34:56,870 --> 02:34:53,860
that there is somebody up there in Palo

3570
02:34:59,520 --> 02:34:56,880
Alto that is working on a time machine

3571
02:35:01,710 --> 02:34:59,530
then I'm not being I'm not being I'm not

3572
02:35:02,670 --> 02:35:01,720
being facetious here I'm being a 100%

3573
02:35:04,230 --> 02:35:02,680
serious

3574
02:35:05,490 --> 02:35:04,240
well I don't know if they're here in

3575
02:35:09,710 --> 02:35:05,500
Palo Alto but you know there are

3576
02:35:12,810 --> 02:35:09,720
certainly physicists who are working on

3577
02:35:15,180 --> 02:35:12,820
what could be the start of time machines

3578
02:35:17,370 --> 02:35:15,190
in the sense that you know there was

3579
02:35:18,990 --> 02:35:17,380
just one scientist geez I forget which

3580
02:35:21,630 --> 02:35:19,000
university it is but

3581
02:35:24,210 --> 02:35:21,640
he discovered that with light yeah Ron

3582
02:35:26,940 --> 02:35:24,220
Malins you know what sir UConn he's up

3583
02:35:29,460 --> 02:35:26,950
at UConn UConn exactly and so you know

3584
02:35:32,910 --> 02:35:29,470
he did a presentation about how you know

3585
02:35:34,710 --> 02:35:32,920
using light it could create the similar

3586
02:35:36,360 --> 02:35:34,720
to a black hole or singularity no

3587
02:35:38,730 --> 02:35:36,370
different type of singularity in space

3588
02:35:40,890 --> 02:35:38,740
creates so that you could create these

3589
02:35:43,560 --> 02:35:40,900
little time loops and that the photons

3590
02:35:45,990 --> 02:35:43,570
could go back in time and you know he

3591
02:35:49,560 --> 02:35:46,000
presented it to a lot of different duhh

3592
02:35:52,050 --> 02:35:49,570
you know physics dignitaries and

3593
02:35:53,850 --> 02:35:52,060
notables and and you know you know his

3594
02:35:56,670 --> 02:35:53,860
motivation was that his father died and

3595
02:35:57,900 --> 02:35:56,680
he wanted to go back in time and they

3596
02:36:00,050 --> 02:35:57,910
said you know what you're doing is

3597
02:36:02,790 --> 02:36:00,060
really interesting the only problem is

3598
02:36:05,250 --> 02:36:02,800
the way that you've constructed it the

3599
02:36:07,440 --> 02:36:05,260
furthest that you can send back the

3600
02:36:10,080 --> 02:36:07,450
information to is when you turn on that

3601
02:36:11,430 --> 02:36:10,090
machine right so it was a a generalized

3602
02:36:12,360 --> 02:36:11,440
machine it was from the time that you

3603
02:36:14,340 --> 02:36:12,370
turned on that machine then

3604
02:36:16,800 --> 02:36:14,350
theoretically at least you could send

3605
02:36:17,880 --> 02:36:16,810
the information back in time but yeah I

3606
02:36:20,760 --> 02:36:17,890
mean I think there are people who are

3607
02:36:22,470 --> 02:36:20,770
intrigued by it but I think that the

3608
02:36:24,810 --> 02:36:22,480
real answer is going to be in this this

3609
02:36:27,920 --> 02:36:24,820
idea in consciousness that we talked

3610
02:36:30,630 --> 02:36:27,930
about earlier that consciousness effects

3611
02:36:33,690 --> 02:36:30,640
you know what we see and there's a

3612
02:36:36,030 --> 02:36:33,700
physicist named Fred Alan wolf who I

3613
02:36:37,020 --> 02:36:36,040
quote a lot in my book about quantum

3614
02:36:38,580 --> 02:36:37,030
physics like you know I'm concerned

3615
02:36:40,650 --> 02:36:38,590
about where do these synchronicities and

3616
02:36:41,340 --> 02:36:40,660
these intuitions and these hunches where

3617
02:36:43,080 --> 02:36:41,350
do they come from

3618
02:36:45,960 --> 02:36:43,090
right and my conclusion was they come

3619
02:36:48,210 --> 02:36:45,970
from probable future cells or parallel

3620
02:36:51,480 --> 02:36:48,220
lives you know he says that our minds

3621
02:36:54,660 --> 02:36:51,490
are like time machines able to sense the

3622
02:36:57,180 --> 02:36:54,670
flow of information from the future into

3623
02:36:59,490 --> 02:36:57,190
the past so that means not only is the

3624
02:37:01,470 --> 02:36:59,500
future sending us information but we're

3625
02:37:04,770 --> 02:37:01,480
sending information you know back to our

3626
02:37:06,720 --> 02:37:04,780
past right so we're already somehow

3627
02:37:09,000 --> 02:37:06,730
communicating and somehow I think

3628
02:37:11,250 --> 02:37:09,010
personally I believe that's where the

3629
02:37:13,980 --> 02:37:11,260
key is is learning to then add some

3630
02:37:17,850 --> 02:37:13,990
technology to help with the process of

3631
02:37:20,880 --> 02:37:17,860
what's already working right in in

3632
02:37:22,770 --> 02:37:20,890
nature what exists sometimes you look at

3633
02:37:24,240 --> 02:37:22,780
what exists in nature and then you find

3634
02:37:26,160 --> 02:37:24,250
a technological solution I mean where

3635
02:37:27,690 --> 02:37:26,170
did neural networks come from they

3636
02:37:29,100 --> 02:37:27,700
looked at neurons and said that's how

3637
02:37:31,500 --> 02:37:29,110
neurons work let's see if we can

3638
02:37:32,640 --> 02:37:31,510
reproduce that in computers and in

3639
02:37:34,200 --> 02:37:32,650
computer science

3640
02:37:35,551 --> 02:37:34,210
and and so here are physicists telling

3641
02:37:37,860 --> 02:37:35,561
us that we already have a device that's

3642
02:37:40,740 --> 02:37:37,870
sending information back in time is

3643
02:37:42,540 --> 02:37:40,750
called our minds now is there a way to

3644
02:37:44,220 --> 02:37:42,550
work with that with some type of

3645
02:37:46,770 --> 02:37:44,230
technology that could ultimately lead to

3646
02:37:51,060 --> 02:37:46,780
at least a machine that sends

3647
02:37:52,560 --> 02:37:51,070
information back I'm a great fan of as I

3648
02:37:56,341 --> 02:37:52,570
mentioned science fiction and fantasy

3649
02:37:58,320 --> 02:37:56,351
there's a great movie from the from the

3650
02:37:59,341 --> 02:37:58,330
80s called up or 90s call the Prince of

3651
02:38:01,740 --> 02:37:59,351
Darkness I don't know if you've ever

3652
02:38:04,110 --> 02:38:01,750
seen it yes oh absolutely great movie

3653
02:38:06,000 --> 02:38:04,120
great great movie and this Caltech team

3654
02:38:07,320 --> 02:38:06,010
goes out to investigate this anomaly in

3655
02:38:09,540 --> 02:38:07,330
the basement of this church and they

3656
02:38:10,830 --> 02:38:09,550
realize there's some Prince of Darkness

3657
02:38:13,140 --> 02:38:10,840
and they don't want to release him but

3658
02:38:16,140 --> 02:38:13,150
what starts to happen is they all start

3659
02:38:19,290 --> 02:38:16,150
to have the same dream and it turns out

3660
02:38:22,410 --> 02:38:19,300
that dream is from their future selves

3661
02:38:24,600 --> 02:38:22,420
warning them don't open the coffin of

3662
02:38:25,740 --> 02:38:24,610
the Prince of Darkness because then

3663
02:38:27,900 --> 02:38:25,750
he'll get released and they'll be this

3664
02:38:30,990 --> 02:38:27,910
big catastrophe and so they needed a way

3665
02:38:34,440 --> 02:38:31,000
to send message and information back in

3666
02:38:36,780 --> 02:38:34,450
time and they were the only receivers

3667
02:38:38,220 --> 02:38:36,790
that the team had were their minds and

3668
02:38:40,230 --> 02:38:38,230
when they were dreaming and that's where

3669
02:38:42,150 --> 02:38:40,240
you know they were able to receive that

3670
02:38:44,370 --> 02:38:42,160
message from the future so I think

3671
02:38:47,310 --> 02:38:44,380
consciousness is a big part of of that

3672
02:38:50,520 --> 02:38:47,320
in my opinion a few years ago we had a

3673
02:38:53,460 --> 02:38:50,530
Michio on the show Michio Kaku and he

3674
02:38:55,560 --> 02:38:53,470
said one thing I ended up going and

3675
02:38:59,430 --> 02:38:55,570
doing some research on this and he was

3676
02:39:01,410 --> 02:38:59,440
right somewhat it's hard to confirm a

3677
02:39:06,841 --> 02:39:01,420
lot of this but he said one thing on the

3678
02:39:09,450 --> 02:39:06,851
show that was disturbing and he said we

3679
02:39:11,700 --> 02:39:09,460
were talking about immortality and USB

3680
02:39:13,680 --> 02:39:11,710
drives and downloading yourself and so

3681
02:39:15,960 --> 02:39:13,690
forth you know for space travel and you

3682
02:39:22,350 --> 02:39:15,970
know and to get that stuff and he said

3683
02:39:29,040 --> 02:39:22,360
you know at DARPA Jimmy right now they

3684
02:39:31,770 --> 02:39:29,050
can record your mind and I was like wait

3685
02:39:34,320 --> 02:39:31,780
wait now so I go and I did that that's a

3686
02:39:36,450 --> 02:39:34,330
disturbing thought right so I go and I

3687
02:39:39,990 --> 02:39:36,460
check out DARPA 's funding and where

3688
02:39:42,270 --> 02:39:40,000
their funding is going to all of it

3689
02:39:46,140 --> 02:39:42,280
nearly all of it some of its weapons and

3690
02:39:49,711 --> 02:39:46,150
futures technology but is consciousness

3691
02:39:53,570 --> 02:39:49,721
and writing the code for the computer

3692
02:39:56,520 --> 02:39:53,580
interface that will convert the mind

3693
02:39:58,171 --> 02:39:56,530
into machine language right that's

3694
02:39:59,820 --> 02:39:58,181
that's it that's the funding of the

3695
02:40:04,171 --> 02:39:59,830
research right now that's a tall neuro

3696
02:40:06,091 --> 02:40:04,181
technology Sandia full full on go watch

3697
02:40:08,881 --> 02:40:06,101
a TED talk from somebody from Sandy it's

3698
02:40:12,930 --> 02:40:08,891
it's frightening but that's where it's

3699
02:40:15,950 --> 02:40:12,940
all at right now and I'm I'm tripping

3700
02:40:19,230 --> 02:40:15,960
and if that if that if that gets crossed

3701
02:40:21,541 --> 02:40:19,240
and what is what's the intention of this

3702
02:40:22,890 --> 02:40:21,551
for DARPA you know right and that is

3703
02:40:25,200 --> 02:40:22,900
that is kind of frightening because now

3704
02:40:28,051 --> 02:40:25,210
you're at that that interface between

3705
02:40:29,640 --> 02:40:28,061
biology and computer science because

3706
02:40:31,320 --> 02:40:29,650
we're taking something that exists in

3707
02:40:34,051 --> 02:40:31,330
our minds and trying to record it in

3708
02:40:37,081 --> 02:40:34,061
bits you know on computers and on memory

3709
02:40:38,910 --> 02:40:37,091
and you know we talked about Google

3710
02:40:40,530 --> 02:40:38,920
having a lot of information will you

3711
02:40:44,310 --> 02:40:40,540
know that that starts to there could be

3712
02:40:45,961 --> 02:40:44,320
good and bad uses of that I mean on the

3713
02:40:47,490 --> 02:40:45,971
one hand you may be able to use it to

3714
02:40:49,350 --> 02:40:47,500
figure out what happened and who's

3715
02:40:51,751 --> 02:40:49,360
telling the truth in the trial situation

3716
02:40:55,560 --> 02:40:51,761
on the other hand you know it's like a

3717
02:40:57,900 --> 02:40:55,570
super high tech Big Brother I know I

3718
02:40:59,671 --> 02:40:57,910
know I know well let me ask you this

3719
02:41:01,230 --> 02:40:59,681
before I let you go and again I want to

3720
02:41:02,940 --> 02:41:01,240
thank you fascinating conversation I

3721
02:41:06,871 --> 02:41:02,950
look forward to having you on the show

3722
02:41:10,650 --> 02:41:06,881
again but question is twofold so I want

3723
02:41:11,461 --> 02:41:10,660
you to answer both versions one up there

3724
02:41:15,751 --> 02:41:11,471
in Mountain View

3725
02:41:21,180 --> 02:41:15,761
et comes down saucer spaceship in your

3726
02:41:25,251 --> 02:41:21,190
backyard and says rizz come on do you

3727
02:41:32,371 --> 02:41:27,421
theoretically speaking that was an

3728
02:41:35,450 --> 02:41:32,381
uncomfortable laugh yeah I'm saying

3729
02:41:38,070 --> 02:41:35,460
tonight we we we we say good night and

3730
02:41:40,051 --> 02:41:38,080
you're out in the back patio and this

3731
02:41:44,520 --> 02:41:40,061
happens do you do you get on the ship

3732
02:41:46,200 --> 02:41:44,530
right because again I'm an engineer and

3733
02:41:48,660 --> 02:41:46,210
I want to know how does this stuff work

3734
02:41:49,980 --> 02:41:48,670
where are these guys from right so

3735
02:41:51,450 --> 02:41:49,990
there's reminding me of the last scene

3736
02:41:53,700 --> 02:41:51,460
from Close Encounters you know when they

3737
02:41:55,950 --> 02:41:53,710
got and they took Roy onto the ship and

3738
02:41:58,511 --> 02:41:55,960
and so yeah I probably would but it

3739
02:42:01,600 --> 02:41:58,521
would be more out of my curiosity

3740
02:42:04,301 --> 02:42:01,610
about you know what's really going on

3741
02:42:07,540 --> 02:42:04,311
and how does this stuff work are you

3742
02:42:10,360 --> 02:42:07,550
married uh not married but I do live

3743
02:42:13,690 --> 02:42:10,370
with with my partner okay your time yeah

3744
02:42:17,320 --> 02:42:13,700
okay do you take your partner with you

3745
02:42:23,500 --> 02:42:17,330
you know she sometimes thinks that she

3746
02:42:25,330 --> 02:42:23,510
may have some contact with okay all

3747
02:42:28,240 --> 02:42:25,340
right now that's a very honest answer

3748
02:42:30,400 --> 02:42:28,250
but now let's shift things because that

3749
02:42:33,910 --> 02:42:30,410
it like you said that's theoretical now

3750
02:42:37,180 --> 02:42:33,920
let's go to the engineering side when it

3751
02:42:41,830 --> 02:42:37,190
comes to interstellar space travel right

3752
02:42:44,890 --> 02:42:41,840
and we have now made contact with a

3753
02:42:47,950 --> 02:42:44,900
planet it's five light-years away okay

3754
02:42:53,140 --> 02:42:47,960
we have a ship that that you can travel

3755
02:42:55,930 --> 02:42:53,150
on and and get there eventually but you

3756
02:42:58,421 --> 02:42:55,940
have to be frozen you've got to be you

3757
02:43:00,341 --> 02:42:58,431
know hermetically sealed and funk and

3758
02:43:03,700 --> 02:43:00,351
Wagnalls ports right and we've got to

3759
02:43:07,030 --> 02:43:03,710
seal you up but in the meantime we're

3760
02:43:09,640 --> 02:43:07,040
gonna download you onto the system's

3761
02:43:12,850 --> 02:43:09,650
computer and you are going to fly this

3762
02:43:14,980 --> 02:43:12,860
ship there when you get there we're

3763
02:43:17,620 --> 02:43:14,990
gonna offload your body or your mind

3764
02:43:19,511 --> 02:43:17,630
back into yourself and you're gonna walk

3765
02:43:24,490 --> 02:43:19,521
off the ship and say hello to ret

3766
02:43:26,530 --> 02:43:24,500
brothers do you do it well that's an

3767
02:43:29,230 --> 02:43:26,540
interesting one because I'd have to

3768
02:43:32,740 --> 02:43:29,240
really believe right that the technology

3769
02:43:35,230 --> 02:43:32,750
was there for both the freezing and the

3770
02:43:38,730 --> 02:43:35,240
transfer of consciousness right right

3771
02:43:41,470 --> 02:43:38,740
and you know again we're not there if

3772
02:43:42,881 --> 02:43:41,480
it's kind of like again I come back to

3773
02:43:46,000 --> 02:43:42,891
Star Trek in the transporter technology

3774
02:43:47,711 --> 02:43:46,010
right and how you know dr. McCoy didn't

3775
02:43:50,530 --> 02:43:47,721
want his atoms being beamed all over the

3776
02:43:52,030 --> 02:43:50,540
universe right when I really want my

3777
02:43:54,430 --> 02:43:52,040
consciousness beamed onto a computer

3778
02:43:56,080 --> 02:43:54,440
aboard a ship outside of the body I

3779
02:43:57,820 --> 02:43:56,090
guess it come back to how confident I

3780
02:43:59,381 --> 02:43:57,830
was I mean we're we're definitely in

3781
02:44:01,570 --> 02:43:59,391
science fiction scenarios here I think

3782
02:44:05,080 --> 02:44:01,580
at least from what mainstream we know of

3783
02:44:06,700 --> 02:44:05,090
mainstream science and so I it would

3784
02:44:08,200 --> 02:44:06,710
just come down to how confident I was

3785
02:44:10,631 --> 02:44:08,210
about the technology at that point in

3786
02:44:11,711 --> 02:44:10,641
time yeah because these are with we're

3787
02:44:15,161 --> 02:44:11,721
dealing with not

3788
02:44:18,161 --> 02:44:15,171
and bolts technology right pure nuts and

3789
02:44:21,671 --> 02:44:18,171
bolts hardware that we have to overcome

3790
02:44:24,220 --> 02:44:21,681
our physical bodies we have to overcome

3791
02:44:27,220 --> 02:44:24,230
that there there really isn't any other

3792
02:44:29,140 --> 02:44:27,230
way to do it except for what I just you

3793
02:44:32,100 --> 02:44:29,150
know presented to you because that's the

3794
02:44:34,450 --> 02:44:32,110
nuts and bolts side the other side is

3795
02:44:36,820 --> 02:44:34,460
you know we're now we're at a quantum

3796
02:44:40,150 --> 02:44:36,830
level and we're able to fold space and

3797
02:44:42,700 --> 02:44:40,160
it takes itit takes it all right we'll

3798
02:44:44,860 --> 02:44:42,710
be there quickly that may be you know a

3799
02:44:47,320 --> 02:44:44,870
more realistic way of getting to to

3800
02:44:49,871 --> 02:44:47,330
other planets and stars you know once we

3801
02:44:52,180 --> 02:44:49,881
figure out how all of that works and how

3802
02:44:54,490 --> 02:44:52,190
we can rip holes you know in space-time

3803
02:44:56,381 --> 02:44:54,500
to do that and that's also potentially

3804
02:44:58,961 --> 02:44:56,391
very far off but you know that that

3805
02:45:00,430 --> 02:44:58,971
might be I mean five light years is is

3806
02:45:02,051 --> 02:45:00,440
pretty close by when you think of the

3807
02:45:05,320 --> 02:45:02,061
universe and there's probably only of

3808
02:45:07,390 --> 02:45:05,330
one star that close maybe two yep blip

3809
02:45:09,700 --> 02:45:07,400
it's a blip it's a blip and we've got to

3810
02:45:11,890 --> 02:45:09,710
get there you know we can't we can't

3811
02:45:15,430 --> 02:45:11,900
live here forever this is gonna be you

3812
02:45:17,291 --> 02:45:15,440
know burning cinders in in 50,000 years

3813
02:45:19,631 --> 02:45:17,301
is probably going to be so hot here by

3814
02:45:21,881 --> 02:45:19,641
then that we can't live here we've got

3815
02:45:24,881 --> 02:45:21,891
we've got to figure out a place to go I

3816
02:45:27,011 --> 02:45:24,891
want to thank you rizz for for the show

3817
02:45:30,581 --> 02:45:27,021
tonight brilliant conversation but with

3818
02:45:32,680 --> 02:45:30,591
treasure hunt of you're gonna be doing

3819
02:45:36,761 --> 02:45:32,690
this $20,000

3820
02:45:39,371 --> 02:45:36,771
when Wendy plan on closing this out so

3821
02:45:41,470 --> 02:45:39,381
the competition is open for a couple of

3822
02:45:43,121 --> 02:45:41,480
months I and the website I have kind of

3823
02:45:44,890 --> 02:45:43,131
the details so it's through the end of

3824
02:45:47,081 --> 02:45:44,900
March so that gives people time to read

3825
02:45:49,421 --> 02:45:47,091
the book think about their ideas that

3826
02:45:52,690 --> 02:45:49,431
they really want to pursue and submit an

3827
02:45:54,940 --> 02:45:52,700
application you know for the contest for

3828
02:45:57,341 --> 02:45:54,950
some crazy idea that you know it's not

3829
02:45:58,871 --> 02:45:57,351
every day that people in Silicon Valley

3830
02:46:00,341 --> 02:45:58,881
are willing to fund these kind of crazy

3831
02:46:02,680 --> 02:46:00,351
ideas they find different types of crazy

3832
02:46:04,570 --> 02:46:02,690
ideas but but I'm really hoping to open

3833
02:46:06,100 --> 02:46:04,580
it up to you know the types of ideas

3834
02:46:08,860 --> 02:46:06,110
that that normally wouldn't receive

3835
02:46:10,450 --> 02:46:08,870
funding and hopefully it's enough both

3836
02:46:12,461 --> 02:46:10,460
the money but also the mentoring for

3837
02:46:14,530 --> 02:46:12,471
myself should really help you get your

3838
02:46:16,900 --> 02:46:14,540
project off the ground you know the

3839
02:46:18,940 --> 02:46:16,910
world needs a lot more of you my friend

3840
02:46:20,960 --> 02:46:18,950
thank you so much the book is great

3841
02:46:23,450 --> 02:46:20,970
everybody go and get the book

3842
02:46:26,240 --> 02:46:23,460
and the contest is their treasure hunt

3843
02:46:28,010 --> 02:46:26,250
20 grand and an R is said he's

3844
02:46:29,269 --> 02:46:28,020
completely hands-off you just got the

3845
02:46:34,820 --> 02:46:29,279
money and do whatever you want

3846
02:46:36,590 --> 02:46:34,830
just kidding where is I like to trust

3847
02:46:38,269 --> 02:46:36,600
entrepreneurs intuitions about what they

3848
02:46:39,800 --> 02:46:38,279
should do hopefully they would be doing

3849
02:46:42,469 --> 02:46:39,810
with the money what they said they were

3850
02:46:44,900 --> 02:46:42,479
gonna do thank you so much and and and

3851
02:46:47,570 --> 02:46:44,910
good luck to you and keep us posted and

3852
02:46:49,040 --> 02:46:47,580
when you get the winner by the way we

3853
02:46:51,170 --> 02:46:49,050
would love to bring you both back on the

3854
02:46:53,360 --> 02:46:51,180
show and and announced that to the world

3855
02:46:55,309 --> 02:46:53,370
thank you so much thanks for having me

3856
02:46:57,440 --> 02:46:55,319
on it's been a lot of fun it should I

3857
02:46:59,240 --> 02:46:57,450
told you who and I did I say we were

3858
02:47:01,610 --> 02:46:59,250
gonna run out of time and we did just

3859
02:47:03,710 --> 02:47:01,620
that Thank You rizz enjoy the rest of

3860
02:47:07,700 --> 02:47:03,720
your night okay good night good night

3861
02:47:09,769 --> 02:47:07,710
rizz rizz Burke everybody the book is a

3862
02:47:12,440 --> 02:47:09,779
treasure hunt I'll hold it up again and

3863
02:47:14,059 --> 02:47:12,450
if you just go to a go to the website

3864
02:47:16,940 --> 02:47:14,069
your insurance radio.com you can click

3865
02:47:20,090 --> 02:47:16,950
on Riza's links right there I need to

3866
02:47:23,000 --> 02:47:20,100
take a break I skipped over this with

3867
02:47:24,440 --> 02:47:23,010
the network but I'm doing it now all

3868
02:47:26,690 --> 02:47:24,450
right fade to black I'm you know

3869
02:47:28,340 --> 02:47:26,700
signatures thank you R is Burke and I'll

3870
02:47:31,190 --> 02:47:28,350
be right back after this short break

3871
02:47:33,050 --> 02:47:31,200
we'll go over some news and maybe I

3872
02:47:35,870 --> 02:47:33,060
don't know maybe we'll have time for a

3873
02:47:40,440 --> 02:47:35,880
question or two I'll be right back stay

3874
02:48:03,929 --> 02:47:53,490
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3948
02:52:12,700 --> 02:52:05,950
all right welcome back what a show

3949
02:52:15,040 --> 02:52:12,710
tonight man Riz burg there's the book

3950
02:52:17,710 --> 02:52:15,050
everybody I'm holding it up cameras one

3951
02:52:21,790 --> 02:52:17,720
more time treasure hunt brilliant mind

3952
02:52:24,280 --> 02:52:21,800
very very very cool guy and you know

3953
02:52:27,190 --> 02:52:24,290
going back and forth with technology and

3954
02:52:29,530 --> 02:52:27,200
you know discussing AI and and

3955
02:52:32,620 --> 02:52:29,540
consciousness and the conscious and and

3956
02:52:35,080 --> 02:52:32,630
in ego and Edie you know what happens

3957
02:52:38,620 --> 02:52:35,090
with all of that and and can it be

3958
02:52:43,860 --> 02:52:38,630
eventually put on a hard drive right a

3959
02:52:47,950 --> 02:52:43,870
flash drive a solid-state drive and I'm

3960
02:52:50,440 --> 02:52:47,960
thinking it's been done that's that's my

3961
02:52:52,841 --> 02:52:50,450
take I'm thinking it's been done and we

3962
02:52:55,511 --> 02:52:52,851
have DARPA we have Sandia that's enough

3963
02:52:57,190 --> 02:52:55,521
to frighten you right there because the

3964
02:52:59,620 --> 02:52:57,200
budgets and the money and the minds and

3965
02:53:01,900 --> 02:52:59,630
the engineering and the scientists that

3966
02:53:04,600 --> 02:53:01,910
are there working on this but that

3967
02:53:07,091 --> 02:53:04,610
doesn't scare me as much as you know the

3968
02:53:10,631 --> 02:53:07,101
guy up in Silicon Valley up in Palo Alto

3969
02:53:12,850 --> 02:53:10,641
that's sitting on you know a few billion

3970
02:53:16,210 --> 02:53:12,860
dollars that that's all he wants to get

3971
02:53:18,970 --> 02:53:16,220
done and he's got those engineers and

3972
02:53:21,670 --> 02:53:18,980
those computers it just I'm thinking

3973
02:53:25,950 --> 02:53:21,680
it's been done and very very close but

3974
02:53:28,900 --> 02:53:25,960
that is that is immortality and then I

3975
02:53:31,330 --> 02:53:28,910
just saw the tweet you know the head

3976
02:53:33,310 --> 02:53:31,340
transplant let's think about that

3977
02:53:35,200 --> 02:53:33,320
concept for a second before I get to

3978
02:53:39,131 --> 02:53:35,210
this news story that broke today that

3979
02:53:42,551 --> 02:53:39,141
blew my mind the head transplant right

3980
02:53:48,100 --> 02:53:42,561
okay the head transplant you've got the

3981
02:53:52,720 --> 02:53:48,110
body you've got the head and you Trent

3982
02:53:56,680 --> 02:53:52,730
now what goes on there right when those

3983
02:53:59,200 --> 02:53:56,690
eyes open up who is it who is it is it

3984
02:54:01,440 --> 02:53:59,210
the person in the head that was there

3985
02:54:05,881 --> 02:54:01,450
before

3986
02:54:08,290 --> 02:54:05,891
what's going on there think about that

3987
02:54:10,330 --> 02:54:08,300
the whole nervous system in the body

3988
02:54:12,430 --> 02:54:10,340
that the heads going on to the heart you

3989
02:54:14,630 --> 02:54:12,440
know that every and you know is there

3990
02:54:16,179 --> 02:54:14,640
any residual stuff there

3991
02:54:19,340 --> 02:54:16,189
or is there a lot of is there a

3992
02:54:22,580 --> 02:54:19,350
confliction do you have to people you

3993
02:54:23,719 --> 02:54:22,590
know eyes open is there two people is

3994
02:54:28,399 --> 02:54:23,729
there confusion

3995
02:54:30,649 --> 02:54:28,409
that's a trippy I had read last month or

3996
02:54:33,110 --> 02:54:30,659
the month before that they are ready

3997
02:54:37,580 --> 02:54:33,120
like the first head transplant is like

3998
02:54:40,160 --> 02:54:37,590
gonna happen any day like they're

3999
02:54:41,540 --> 02:54:40,170
waiting for the final approval of the

4000
02:54:44,120 --> 02:54:41,550
government I think it was out of China

4001
02:54:46,760 --> 02:54:44,130
was into China that was gonna do the

4002
02:54:48,620 --> 02:54:46,770
first head transplant somebody popped

4003
02:54:52,160 --> 02:54:48,630
that up in Twitter I've got to get out

4004
02:54:54,250 --> 02:54:52,170
of here but this story broke today over

4005
02:54:58,429 --> 02:54:54,260
in The Hague

4006
02:55:02,830 --> 02:54:58,439
Slobodan brawl jack commander of the

4007
02:55:07,880 --> 02:55:02,840
crow 8 forces during the 1990s war Basia

4008
02:55:10,429 --> 02:55:07,890
in bosnia stood up in the hague and his

4009
02:55:12,889 --> 02:55:10,439
trial had ended and his appeal was over

4010
02:55:14,389 --> 02:55:12,899
and that's it the conviction was going

4011
02:55:18,139 --> 02:55:14,399
to be upheld he was gonna go to prison

4012
02:55:20,929 --> 02:55:18,149
for 20 years or whatever and and this

4013
02:55:23,780 --> 02:55:20,939
was getting and he stood he wouldn't sit

4014
02:55:25,729 --> 02:55:23,790
down dude and you can watch the video

4015
02:55:28,219 --> 02:55:25,739
right now if you go over to Jimmy Church

4016
02:55:30,349 --> 02:55:28,229
radio.com go to the news section the

4017
02:55:31,969 --> 02:55:30,359
story is right there okay I'm just

4018
02:55:33,920 --> 02:55:31,979
letting everybody know just go to Jimmy

4019
02:55:35,630 --> 02:55:33,930
Church radio.com go to the news we've

4020
02:55:39,679 --> 02:55:35,640
got lots of great news stories there but

4021
02:55:42,469 --> 02:55:39,689
this one so and and in the video he

4022
02:55:47,660 --> 02:55:42,479
won't sit down and he's got something in

4023
02:55:49,219 --> 02:55:47,670
his hand and then he unscrews pops the

4024
02:55:51,830 --> 02:55:49,229
body's got a little bottle it's about

4025
02:55:54,820 --> 02:55:51,840
this big in his hand and he drinks it in

4026
02:56:01,219 --> 02:55:54,830
front of everybody at in the court and

4027
02:56:05,780 --> 02:56:01,229
it was poison dude drinks poison in the

4028
02:56:07,460 --> 02:56:05,790
hague and he died two hours later pardon

4029
02:56:08,420 --> 02:56:07,470
ambulance now this is the thing this is

4030
02:56:11,899 --> 02:56:08,430
what I was thinking

4031
02:56:14,479 --> 02:56:11,909
he probably thought in announcing to the

4032
02:56:16,639 --> 02:56:14,489
judges in the panel and the court that

4033
02:56:18,349 --> 02:56:16,649
he just drank poison that there was

4034
02:56:20,479 --> 02:56:18,359
going to be the sympathetic move and

4035
02:56:23,719 --> 02:56:20,489
they were gonna take him out pump him

4036
02:56:24,979 --> 02:56:23,729
and you know get the poison out and he

4037
02:56:27,081 --> 02:56:24,989
wasn't gonna die that's not what

4038
02:56:32,480 --> 02:56:27,091
happened they let he

4039
02:56:36,201 --> 02:56:32,490
died he died i n and you need to go and

4040
02:56:39,501 --> 02:56:36,211
watch this video this guy stands up in

4041
02:56:40,610 --> 02:56:39,511
court and drinks a bottle of poison in

4042
02:56:43,671 --> 02:56:40,620
front of everybody

4043
02:56:46,850 --> 02:56:43,681
it's an incredible thing to watch and

4044
02:56:48,621 --> 02:56:46,860
like I said I know man I don't think he

4045
02:56:52,371 --> 02:56:48,631
tried to kill himself I think he thought

4046
02:56:54,951 --> 02:56:52,381
he was gonna get saved and they didn't

4047
02:56:57,531 --> 02:56:54,961
two hours later he died it's an

4048
02:56:59,451 --> 02:56:57,541
incredible video go watch it all right I

4049
02:57:01,730 --> 02:56:59,461
want to thank Risberg amazing

4050
02:57:04,011 --> 02:57:01,740
conversation tonight concludes another

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02:57:06,680 --> 02:57:04,021
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02:57:08,661 --> 02:57:06,690
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02:57:55,781 --> 02:57:52,801
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02:57:58,761 --> 02:57:55,791
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